I asked Ray to send me photos of this Buff and Elk so I could post them. Ray was kind enough to oblige.

Here is what Ray had to say about the photos:

"Steve,Here they are, and a 400 gr. Woodleigh bullet from the Bison..It broke a shoulder was came to rest under the skin on the far side, as intended by design...From my 450-400-3" Jeffery double rifle. Velocity was 2130 FPS...You can post them if you want..the elk scored 371 and a fraction....actually the photos do not do justice to either....Ray"

Perhaps we can get Ray to tell us the whole story. Also it looks like we get another look at Sweet Thang.

Take Care,

-Steve

Ray,

Nice lookin animals...hmmm good eaten. Congrats.

Nicely done Ray. Tell us about the shot, distance, placement, reaction etc.

Veal!

It looks like a sunny day, a fat bison, and a fine double rifle can make even an old curmudgeon happy!

That elk is kind of weak on the G6's.

Real nice, Raymondo!

Ray,

Tall horns on that buffalo eh! It is, apparently, not typical for plains bison horns to much exceed the top of the head in height. Nice blonde cape too . . . I love that! Neat looking habitat.

Regards,

JohnTheGreek

Very nice!!!!!!!!!, Now i know what you meant by its a hunt, Where's the flat land?????

As usual my photography is poor and the photos do not do justice to either animal, particularly the elk, he has fantastic mass to the horns and when you see them in the real, they take your breath away...and I saw about 4 that went 400 plus, but didn't get a shot...Lots of big elk on this place.

I gave a blow by blow account on the forum about a month ago on both hunts....I used the 400 gr. Woodleigh on buff in my 450-400 and the 300 gr. Woodleigh in my 338 Win....Those big heavy Woodleighs just hammer the big stuff...I have never recovered a 300 gr. 338 from anything, all pass throughs with big exit holes. Lots of SD and penitration there....

I always get a nice bullet from the double with the 400 gr. Woodleigh, as its designed to do just that so it makes herd shooting very handy, as you do not have to check behind the intended target, just shoot it...this is very good indeed on Bison and Cape Buffalo...these bullets at 2150 will ALWAYS stop on the off side hide.

Thats one beaut of an elk, Ray. Congrats.

I could hunt bison all the time. I can't wait til Christmas holidays....I will be visiting my Pa and hanging out with his Bison. His 5 biggest bulls are gettin' huge. The largest is 9 years old and well over 2000 lbs now. I am hoping to take some video and post a clip or two when I get back. A 2200 lb bison bull eating out of your hand is a sight to behold.

Canuck

Beautiful animals Ray. Can you give any particulars on your .338 load with that heavy woodleigh bullet? Brian

I will never understand why a 5 or 10 year old Bison taste so good and is so tender...

A domestic beef that age is good for lunch meat and spam, nothing else..A hereford bull is not eatable past a short yearling and thats only if out of a feed lot......

Domestic cattle off grass are not good to eat unless they are still on mamas milk..

Cape Buffalo bulls are always pretty tough unless you only eat the inside tenderloins, even the backstrap loins are usually a little tough...Ocassionally when the grass is green and the bull is really fat on grass it is tender, but not often and I have eaten a lot of it..it does always have good flavor however...

Bison are always good and always tender. Off grass and as good as pen fed beef...

Brian,
My 338 Win load with the 300 gr. Woodleighs is 69 grs. of RL-22 with a Fed 215 primer in WW cases..I suspect it clocks an easy 2500 FPS, that load is a grain over the Hodgen manual book max, so start 10% below that...It is OK in my gun...I have some cases that have been loaded 7 times and trimmed once, but that is in my gun and may not apply to yours.

I have to clarify all this as there is a couple of guys on this forum that will curl up with chillbains and comasitas gacomitas at the mention of what they may consider a warm load, they are the worlds keepers of the goddess of handloaders safty rules, so I have bowed down before them in humble surrender and tithed my 10 percent rule of cutback....

OUTSTANDING... Thanks for the pictures, and especially the bullet pic... there is one that performed perfectly... Congrats!