It is perfectly legal for me to buy a gun in Ohio, while I live in Michigan..

Watching Fox news last night, they stated that the only judges that are scheduled to retire are the 3 who were on the minority of the vote. They said that the ruling is very safe even if bam bam gets
elected.
Charlie

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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
are all texans racists, or just the ones who shoot ear-tagged pet deer at timed corn feeders inside a high fence from an air-conditioned stand equipped with a beer can holder?

You ever lived in Texas? You ever lived in Texas after Katrina??

bluefin - no offense was intended to you and i get your point re: katrina, but certain comments made earlier in this thread were simply uncalled for and flat-out racist.

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Originally posted by Bob in TX:
SC,

I see you have your blinders on again.

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“We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measures that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions. I think there’s a lot of room before bumping against a constitutional barrier... I am not in favor of concealed weapons. There has not been any evidence that allowing people to carry a concealed weapon is going to make anybody safer... I wanted to make sure that local communities were recognized as having a right to regulate firearms. The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can’t initiate gun laws isn’t born out by our Constitution.†—Barack Hussein Obama on “thoughtful†adulteration of our Constitution.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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Hey, Obama! I'm not a bitter SOB! I just want my Constitutional rights. Now, I've got 'em. Too bad ya don't understand that they're your rights too but then again, you're a lawyer & skew facts according to what you want.

Obama said in the debate last spring in Wisconsin that as a Constitutional lawyer he believed the Second Amendment confers an individual right. He reiterated that identical postition again today. Vote against him because he's skinny, vote against him because he was born in Hawaii, vote against him because he was against invading Iraq if you wish, but voting against him because of his position on the Second Amendment is simply wallowing in ignorance.

What?
I'm with Bob, you are misguided at the very least. Wrong at the worst.
Obama is against gun ownership, period.

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His Democratic rival, Obama, issued a more carefully worded statement apparently aimed at both moderate voters and his liberal base. The statement from Obama, who has long said local governments should be able to regulate guns, did not specifically say whether Obama agreed with overturning the specific D.C. ban. But he said Thursday's ruling "will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country."

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through commonsense, effective safety measures," Obama said.

Obama said his view was supported by the court's ruling that the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns." That language "reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe," Obama said.

The SCOTUS decision may have some interesting fall out ! Georgia has just passed a law extending areas where permit holders may carry their guns.That would include places like public transportation and state parks.

Even though the overall vote was 5-4, even in Stevens dissent (joined by all the other dissenters), he opens by saying the following:

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The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right†or an “individual right.†Surely it protects a right that can be
enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.

So the individual right was 9-0 (according to Stevens).

Breyer's dissent opens with the following (also joined by the other dissenters):

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We must decide whether a District of Columbia law that
prohibits the possession of handguns in the home violates
the Second Amendment. The majority, relying upon its
view that the Second Amendment seeks to protect a right
of personal self-defense, holds that this law violates that
Amendment. In my view, it does not.

His arguments confusing to say the least and sure sounds like he doesn't like the right and is going out of his way to limit it.

The mendacious Barack Obama is no friend of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. 1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban. 2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. 3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. 2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities. 4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. 5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. 6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws. 7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.†8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America. 9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them. 10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military. 11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines. 12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping. 13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods. 2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. 14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions. 9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns. 9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment. 9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. 9


1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,†Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: `Common Sense Regulation` On Gun Owners` Rights," ABC News` "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama`s Consistent Record.†Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates` gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,†Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

9. “Obama and Gun Control,†The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,†Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,†February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .†(http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

Jackfish, THANKS!

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Obama said in the debate last spring in Wisconsin that as a Constitutional lawyer he believed the Second Amendment confers an individual right. He reiterated that identical postition again today. Vote against him because he's skinny, vote against him because he was born in Hawaii, vote against him because he was against invading Iraq if you wish, but voting against him because of his position on the Second Amendment is simply wallowing in ignorance.

Sorry, Stonecreek, I don’t buy your logic—sorry—argument.
I have to call it an argument, because I can’t call it logic.

If I vote against him because he's skinny, I’m prejudice against skinny people.
(I have many friends that are skinny)
If I vote against him because he was born in Hawaii, I’m prejudice against Hawaiians.
(I have several friends born in Hawaii)
If I vote against him because he was against invading Iraq, I’m prejudiced against fools.
(I have a few friends that are fools. What can I say? It’s fun to torment them!!)

HOWEVER, voting against Obama because he is against our constitution is the only reason that makes any sense.

ACLU lawyers also claim to be Constitutional lawyers…


---Mike