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Wolf, Coyote, or can't tell?
19 August 2021, 16:06
Mike_DettorreWolf, Coyote, or can't tell?
What say ye?
for scale here is a deer in the same spot
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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 August 2021, 17:31
SDSpinkI would guess coyote. The body structure doesn't fit a wolf.
19 August 2021, 17:47
TREE 'EMPics don't show enough to do anything but speculate.
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19 August 2021, 18:05
p dog shooterI have a lot of pictures of both.
Sure looks like a coyote to me.
The 2nd one left of the stick is a bit burry.
But young wolves can be hard to tell.
19 August 2021, 19:34
Aspen Hill AdventuresSong dog. Too lightly built to be a wolf, even a young one.
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19 August 2021, 19:44
Outdoor WriterMike,
Is #3 supposed to be the same critter as #1 & #2??
Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer"
19 August 2021, 20:53
BaxterBCoyote. There’s also one on the far left.
19 August 2021, 21:19
crsheltonShoot it and find out for sure.
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http://www.xplat.net/ 19 August 2021, 21:51
Mike_DettorreTony,
Not sure I understand your question.
First and second photo are taken 1 second apart. Same animals - canines. There are actually two in each picture. Far left is really faint in 1st picture. So not sure what you are referring to when you say critter 1, 2, & 3.
Third photo is a deer only provided for scale as indicated and taken on a completely different day.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 August 2021, 22:08
chuckmaxmanCoyote for sure
19 August 2021, 23:17
georgeldPair of coyotes, no question.
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20 August 2021, 02:52
Kyler HamannDefinitely a pair of chupacabra's!
20 August 2021, 04:27
p dog shooterquote:
Not sure I understand your question.
I think he is pulling your chain.
20 August 2021, 08:30
Lamarcoyote's.
20 August 2021, 19:37
Outdoor Writerquote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Tony,
Not sure I understand your question.
First and second photo are taken 1 second apart. Same animals - canines. There are actually two in each picture. Far left is really faint in 1st picture. So not sure what you are referring to when you say critter 1, 2, & 3.
Third photo is a deer only provided for scale as indicated and taken on a completely different day.
That was exactly what I meant, i.e. #3 not being the same critter(s) shown in the first two and being a deer, not a wolf or a coyote.
As for #1 & #2, it could be either canine variety. I lean to coyote, but location might determine it better.
Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer"
20 August 2021, 22:27
Grizzly Adams1quote:
As for #1 & #2, it could be either canine variety. I lean to coyote, but location might determine it better
Agreed.
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21 August 2021, 00:41
Outdoor Writerquote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Tony,
Not sure I understand your question.
First and second photo are taken 1 second apart. Same animals - canines. There are actually two in each picture. Far left is really faint in 1st picture. So not sure what you are referring to when you say critter 1, 2, & 3.
Third photo is a deer only provided for scale as indicated and taken on a completely different day.
Whoops!
I figured out why I wasn't in tune. I missed this little "for scale here is a deer in the same spot" 'tween the images. So I thought you meant the last one was also connected to the first two as being the same critters.
Mea culpa.
Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer"
24 August 2021, 01:36
jkrolanYes coyotes. Too small compared to the deer to be a wolf.