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Thinking I would like a combo gun.Something that has scope mount. 12ga and 30 cal or larger rifle. would like opinions on newer models
 
Posts: 849 | Location: oregon | Registered: 20 February 2009Reply With Quote
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Look for a used Hoenig Rotary Round action. Although I think the largest bore he made was 20.
 
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Hoenig a little over kill for me Smiler
 
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Savage made some interesting combination guns, so you might look there. Here is a pic of my Savage .22 Hornet over 12 ga turkey gun taken on a New Mexico prairie dog shoot.


I think some were made with 30-30 rifle barrels.


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Posts: 1915 | Location: Republic of Texas | Registered: 25 May 2009Reply With Quote
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There's a Krieghoff Ulm sidelock up on Gun Broker for $4,995 or thereabouts, with mounted scope. It should be priced much higher than that.
 
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I notice that it is "sold" on several other sites, that make me wonder, but will follow it.
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The Valmet combos are a great value, excellent accuracy and good availability. I have been into them for several years of varmit calling and with the double rifle barrels, hogs from stand at night. I believe the common complaint is the are heavy. Yes but shooting 3" mag #4 Buck and 9.3x74r, the weight is beneficial. Plus the heavier weight rifle barrels do not heat up and jump around like the lighter solid attached barrels do.
 
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I second the Valmet. The Sauer model 54 would be worth looking for. I know Dale Nygaard had several a while back.
 
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There is a CZ o/u 12 gauge over 7x57R on sale for $900 on Gunsinternational.
 
Posts: 957 | Location: Bonita, Ca. | Registered: 01 August 2007Reply With Quote
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Thanks everybody. will look at those mentioned. Hoping to find rifle in 0-6 or 9.3x74 as I already have those.
 
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My advice would be to stick with a rimmed Rifle cartridge if you can. Yes plenty do use Rimless, but they can be a bit fiddly to extract cartridge especially when you have cold and wet hands and you are trying to do a fast follow up shot. Rimmed cases just fall out with a quick turn of the gun.

Don't discount the 7x65R - its the Rimmed version of the 7x64, which is pretty much identical ballistically to the 280 remington which of course will do pretty much anything the 30-06 will.

You three main types to look at.

1) Older Suhl, German and Ferlach, Austrian built guns. Like old English shotguns, these were all quite similar and often beautifully made with Scopes on Claw mounts. Merkel were probably the largest maker, but plenty of others built them as well. Generally they shoot very well, and more than enough for most deer type animals. I have a Ferlach made 16/ 7x65R and I took a Red Stag on Saturday at 200 yards. Holts Auction, New England Custom Guns, eGun.de and Guns International all worth following.

2) Newer Valment, Tikka and Now Marouchi 512, 612, Finnclassic - orginally made in Finland, now in Italy, although not sure if still made. Very good solid guns although not as refined as above.

BRNO did something very similar and good robust guns.

And most of the Italian Shotgun makers - eg Fabarm, Beretta, Rizzini all do build double rifles and combination guns on pretty much shotgun actions. And are priced pretty keenly. How good they are - don't know

3) Blaser, Merkel, Kreighoff, Heym all do a modern BBF. These have decocking safeties, free floating barrels and come in a range of calibres and grades. I spent quite a bit of time looking at them all at Jagd & Hund show in 2018. Not a lot to choose between, but I think I prefer the Heym. I played with a Blaser BD14 last year and watched a friend take a Marmot with its 222 barrel at 300 metres. My one comment is that most handle very much a like a rifle with the balance well forward - they are a rifle first and foremost with an attached shotgun barrel for stationary shots.

The older Ferlach Combinations tended to be 16 bore and handle like fine game guns. With mine I have shot phaesant, woodcock and duck (and missed a couple of red grouse) but have never felt handicapped by it. I would think doing the same with one of the more modern Blaser's would not be as easy.
 
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Savage 24 includes 30-30 over 12-gauge, maybe over 20 gauge as well.
My 24V was 223/20 gauge, was rebored 6mm to make 6x45mm/20 gauge.
I wonder what other rimmed 30-caliber would be a possibility for a rechambered model 24.
Maybe a 30-40 Krag?


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Posts: 12539 | Location: Moreno Valley CA USA | Registered: 20 November 2000Reply With Quote
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The Italian maker FAIR sells several combo guns in calibers you could use. In 12 and 20 GA. Prices around $2500. The importer is in Texas. I recently took delivery of a 28 Ga SxS with ejectors, double triggers and left hand wood from them. It weighs 5lb 4 oz. Took 10 weeks to deliver.


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Posts: 1822 | Location: Tennessee | Registered: 18 February 2007Reply With Quote
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Another good combo is the Blaser B97. It is fairly light, but the stock is bulky. it can be ordered in several calibers. I have a 12gaX 7X65R with an extra set of 9.3X74R double barrels.


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Vol717: Do you know the name of the importer for FAIR? I have not had any luck doing a search online. Thanks.

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I have and would recommend a 12x12x9.3x74R drilling. Of all the guns I hunt with it is one of my favorites. My gun is Sauer made in the 40's which was the civilian version of the Luftwaffe drilling issued to the pilots in the Africa Corp. The beauty of this gun is you are prepared for anything that comes along on a hunt. My gun is not set up for a scope but the newer J.P.Sauer drilling in that caliber can be had with scope mounting systems. I had a Model 3000 a few years ago in 12x12x30-06 with claw mounted scope. I just like the extra power of the 9.3x74R and the rimmed case in the drilling.
 
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valmet 412 Finland discontinued about 20 years ago
finnclassic 512, same mechanicals, different cosmetics, several grades mfg in Italy by Marocchi discontinued about 8 years ago
finnclassic 612, new mechanicals, two basic grades, much lighter gun, only made for around 5 years now discontinued as well

these are all "system" guns that were offered with 12/12, 12/rifle, or rifle/rifle barrel sets.

heaviest rifle caliber was 9.3x74R

I have a few of each left but that's the end of the road. I am not selling any loose barrels sets, only as multi-barrel ensembles.


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Posts: 2720 | Location: Texas | Registered: 07 June 2003Reply With Quote
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When you say " multiple -barrel ensambles " do you mean on must buy a rifle with more than just a 12/rifle set of barels?

You can PM me with wat is available if you want. I might be interested in anything 12/ 0-6 or bigger on rifle but that is all
 
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