Help with id and value?

07 October 2009, 01:27

Being the resident gun guy where I work people are always bringing me interesting things to look at. Today someone brought in a drilling. He is trying to sell off his father's late collection and can't find any info about this one. So here's what it is:

-Reciever is engraved with running deer and ducks on the left side, Elk and what look like Quail on the right.
-16x16x9.3x72R
-Underlever
-3 cocking indicators
-Auto flip up rear rifle sight
-Completely engraved cartridge trap with what looks like an original 9.3 round in it

Markings:

-Bbls are marked "KRUPSCHE" and "STAHLLAUFE"
-Also marked "GORLITZ" and "LEOPOLD SAEMANN"
-Underside of rifle bbl marked "1892". Same marking on reciever. I took pics of the proof marks.

This thing is in excellent condition. The bluing on the bbls I would rate around 90%+. Shotgun bores are bright and shiny, rifle is crisp with minor pitting. The checkering is still sharp crisp, very nicely done.

I would love to make him an offer to buy it but I don't think I have enough money, so I'll settle for helping him value and/or sell it. Any input?

07 October 2009, 01:40

Bigfatts

Here's a couple more:

07 October 2009, 02:26

conifer

Rifle caliber is the weak link. Gun value no more than 1800.

07 October 2009, 16:42

McFox

The interesting thing about this Drilling is that it has no NC proof marks. This makes it a black powder gun. If the cartridge is also an original black powder one, this could be of some value too.
The name of the gunsmith doesn't ring a bell with me. "Görlitz" is obviously the city, where he was resident.

"Kruppsche Stahlläufe" simply indicates that the barrels are made of steel coming from Krupp, the well renowned steel works of Germany.

07 October 2009, 20:32

Burkhard

This drilling is I fine piece for collectors,
but I think not interessting for hunter.
- Only for blackpowder or maybe there are
some proof marks for NC
- the 9,3 x 72R is obsolet
- the lock is a rare and very durable "Roux -
Lock"
- no bases for scope mounts. Installing bases
means destroying the value. Or you take
professional made claw mounts and that
means reblueing.

Burkhard

08 October 2009, 00:51

Bigfatts

Hmm... Interesting. I did find some other markings on the bbl that I missed before:

2,5 gr sch.P.
28,3 gr Bl

On the shotgun bbls

08 October 2009, 03:15

Burkhard

2,5 gr. sch. P. means 2,5 gramms Schwarzpulver (black Powder)
28,3 gr Bl means 28,3 gramm Blei (lead)

I think thats means the shotgun ammo it is tested for.

11 October 2009, 07:19

Gatogordo

I could be wrong, but looking at the markings on the barrel I think it has been reblued or reblacked at some time in the past.

I'd make a WAG of it's value at around $2000 to $2500.

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13 October 2009, 01:41

Bigfatts

quote:
I could be wrong, but looking at the markings on the barrel I think it has been reblued or reblacked at some time in the past.

I don't think so. It belonged to my coworker's father who passed about 5 years ago or so. He brought it back from Germany in WWII and it's sat under their bed ever since, never even shot it. If it was reblued it would have been before WWII. I did clean it after I took the pics and alot of the grime came off. I think some had been there since the war.

21 October 2009, 08:20

Bigfatts

My coworker just asked me to sell this for him, so I listed it on GB if anyone here is interested:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/V...m.asp?Item=144016151

02 November 2009, 07:27

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by Bigfatts:
Being the resident gun guy where I work people are always bringing me interesting things to look at. Today someone brought in a drilling. He is trying to sell off his father's late collection and can't find any info about this one. So here's what it is:

-Reciever is engraved with running deer and ducks on the left side, Elk and what look like Quail on the right.
-16x16x9.3x72R
-Underlever
-3 cocking indicators
-Auto flip up rear rifle sight
-Completely engraved cartridge trap with what looks like an original 9.3 round in it

Markings:

-Bbls are marked "KRUPSCHE" and "STAHLLAUFE"
-Also marked "GORLITZ" and "LEOPOLD SAEMANN"
-Underside of rifle bbl marked "1892". Same marking on reciever. I took pics of the proof marks.

This thing is in excellent condition. The bluing on the bbls I would rate around 90%+. Shotgun bores are bright and shiny, rifle is crisp with minor pitting. The checkering is still sharp crisp, very nicely done.

I would love to make him an offer to buy it but I don't think I have enough money, so I'll settle for helping him value and/or sell it. Any input?

The "1892" is not the year it was made but the serial number of the rifle!

IMO the drilling is not in EXELENT condition, but only "GOOD" condition from what I can see,of course the bores can't be seen, and the 9.3X72R chambering, and the short shot chambers will drop the value like a rock. If the bores are in top shape, the price would be close to right at about $1200 to $1500 tops. If the rifle was chambered for 9.3X74R the price would jump to around $3000-$4500 in the condition it shows.

05 November 2009, 18:06

JonP

quote:
the 9,3 x 72R is obsolet

Well, its not obsolete..ammo is still available...its just not a very powerful cartridge...note the lack of any scope mounts...referred to as a "Foersterpatrone" (roughly a "woodsmans cartridge")..a short range brush cartridge..probably why there are no scope mounts. It is still used and admired by a few hunters in German speaking Europe. It may have killed more big game than any other Euro cartridge up until the 1920's.

I don't know the collector market..I'm only interested in guns that I can hunt with. But, I lived 12 years in Europe and still peruse the gun shops when I go back on business. Guns like this rarely sell for more than $12-1500 and the majority for half of that...and there are plenty of them. Unless there is something very distinctive about this gun, I don't see the value any higher than that.