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.270 Wby Mag vs. 7mm Remington Mag
18 March 2010, 21:04
analog_peninsula.270 Wby Mag vs. 7mm Remington Mag
Hi everyone,
If you were buying a rifle in one of these two calibers, can you think of any meaningful reason to select the .270 Weatherby over the 7mm RM?
I know that I'm splitting hairs, but I'm trying to see whether I've overlooked anything.
Thanks
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18 March 2010, 21:23
NavalukI had extensive experience (12 years) with the 270 wb. Don't you do it! It was a terrible mistake. I can't possibly list all my negatives on the cartridge in both factory and custom guns. And on game-- what a joke. Elk, deer, antelope what a mess.
18 March 2010, 21:23
Charles_HelmThe .270 Wby might be a little flatter. I have a couple of them and used them on deer, hogs, zebra, and gemsbok (would recommend a heavier round for the last two, but it does work with proper shot placement). 7 mag may be more available but is not that big a step up.
May find a good rifle for less in the 7 mag.
I have a .270 Wby, and it shoots well (130 grs TSX over IMR 7828). Sadly, I don't get the velocities advertized for this cartridge, but load it to about .270 WSM velocity.
It is a nice cartridge that will stand on its own merits.
The 7mm Rem Mag will be easier (and cheaper) to find guns, ammo and components for. Doubtful if there is much practical difference between the two. The 7mm Rem Mag handles slightly heavier bullets, but if that is the goal, get a .300 instead...
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18 March 2010, 22:35
Charles_HelmIf you want to play with my .270 Wby Accumark for a bit while you make up your mind, let me know.
18 March 2010, 23:01
analog_peninsulaHow do you like the Accumark as a rifle, Charles? Do you prefer it to the Remington Sendero?
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18 March 2010, 23:11
Charles_HelmI am not a big Remington fan, although we have a few, so maybe I am biased. The Accumark, like the Sendero, is a heavy rifle and not ideal for stalking. Not sure with Remington, but with the Accumark the action is not stainless, just the barrel (at least when mine was made), which can be an issue if you are expecting more weather resistance.
Not sure there is that much to choose between them besides personal preference.
18 March 2010, 23:33
SevenxbjtI'm not a big 7mm fan. Truthfully though, I'm not sure I see much difference here.
18 March 2010, 23:35
eezridrI have both but only shot white tail deer, pigs and coyotes with them. I have no problem shooting 130 gr nosler PT and Hornady interlocks at 3450 FPS (270 Wea) Nosler ammo chron's the same. Fast and flat shooting. Probably a great long range gun where that application is needed. I only shoot 160's in my 7 Mag @ about 3000 so the application is not the same.
Both destroy a lot of meat. If you are a meat eater you might want try something else. Both kill deer size game like lightening.
20 March 2010, 22:34
analog_peninsulaThanks for the suggestions everyone, and especially for your kind offer, Charles.
I was eyeing a very nice Accumark .270 Wby on Gunbroker, but someone else was more decisive than I was. I almost went with a great deal on a Sendero, but I just couldn't generate any real enthusiasm for the rifle.
In the end, I suppose that I'm more of a stalker than a sniper; I was trying to talk myself into a real long range rig, and I suppose that I'd get one if I regularly hunted in the wide open spaces of Nevada or Arizona. Someone else (EB) once posted about double rifles:
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This is basically the sequence of events leading to a double rifle...a life long hunter (me Smiler)never thinks much about hunting in Africa...why would you want to go all that way to shoot a bunch of animals just standing around in the open? Then one day you read a book, maybe White Hunter, by J.A. Hunter, or maybe (heaven forbid) Death in the Long Grass. Then you read some more books, by Selous, Bell, etc., etc. Then you read everything you can get your hands on...then you plan a trip to finally go to Africa. You look around and buy a good "African" rifle, for me a Kimber of Oregon (Clackamas) African in .416 Rigby and you go hunt your first buff or two. Then you don't really want to hunt anything else, anywhere else.
Then you start thinking about maybe hunting an elephant and you start thinking about a double rifle. So you finally buy one, say in .470 Nitro and it's a beautiful great gun and fits you like a great shotgun and you start shooting it and you absolutely love it. You shoot it all the time. And when you can't shoot it at the range, you use it to hunt wild boar in the thick stuff. And you love it. You pass up some shots as "too far", but it's being in the thick stuff that counts. Nevermind that your eyes aren't what they used to be at short range, out to 75 yards you are still plenty accurate enough.
You finally take it to Africa and use it to kill your first elepahant at 10 yards and a buff at 25, even though you had to pass up a great bull at 110 yards that you couldn't get closer to and even though the tracker was carrying the .416 at the time. And you loved it even more and never regretted it for a minute and you don't care about the big bull you couldn't shoot, because getting close to the one you did get was all that mattered.
And now you spend all your time thinking about what your next double is going to be and the next one after that and how the hell you are going to pay for all of them even if you do find them. I think that's why guys use double rifles. Just my two cents.
I don't get as emotional about doubles as he does, but the sense of immediacy he describes is an important element of hunting to me. Most of the time, how game is taken is far more important than what is taken. To me, anyway.
None of this is meant to be an anti long range hunting rant, btw. People should hunt in whatever way maximizes their enjoyment.
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20 March 2010, 23:42
BiebsI would opt for the 7mm Rem Mag. To me it's one of the most versatile and useful calibers there is. With the number of factory loads available, there will be several that will shoot to handload-level accuracy in your rifle, eliminated the need to handload for another rifle. My Blaser in 7mm Rem Mag shoots .35" with factory federal 160gr Accubonds, and has accounted for a herd of game....my "go-to" rifle for hunts in the USA, Mexico, and Canada.
20 March 2010, 23:51
vapodogquote:
can you think of any meaningful reason to select the .270 Weatherby over the 7mm RM?
No....none whatever.
The 7mm Rem Mag is heads and tails over the Weatherby .270.
1. It's costs less for ammo
2. Better bullet selection
3. Chance to shoot the 175 grain bullet
4. Chambered in many more choices of rifle
5. better resale value in the end
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21 March 2010, 03:51
<Mike McGuire>quote:
Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
Hi everyone,
If you were buying a rifle in one of these two calibers, can you think of any meaningful reason to select the .270 Weatherby over the 7mm RM?
In my experience the 270 Wby is faster with the same weight bullet. I think Wby freebore simply allows you top operate at higher pressure because pressure spikes are not as much of an issue.
I have found in 26" barrel the 270 Wby is good for 3250 f/s with 150 grainers and will go over 3400 with 130s.
270 Wbys I have used have also been very accurate with 100 grain factory and reloads with 100 grain Hornady and 100 grain Speer.
Current and recent Accumarks tend to be very accurate and in fact with factory ammo the accuracy is often stunning.
You can also buy the Wby Ultralight which is 6 3/4 pounds and with 26 inch barrel.
Having said all of that the 7mm Remington is more practical. What's even more practical than both is the 270 Winchester.
21 March 2010, 06:55
vapodogquote:
Having said all of that the 7mm Remington is more practical. What's even more practical than both is the 270 Winchester.
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21 March 2010, 08:48
bc300winguyAnother vote for 7mm. No real difference in perforance, huge difference in opporating cost (unless you reload).
21 March 2010, 12:44
jens poulsenI`LL vote for the .270 wea.
150 Grain NP @ 3280 Ft/sec and dead accurate.
I used my pre-64 last time in Africa with 27" Liljabarrel. Killed steinbok to Gemsbok...all oneshot kills. Shot springbok @ little over 354 meters..its a killer!!.
The 7mmRem-mag has the option of 175grain bullets..correct, but woodleigh do offer a 180grain in .277cal now.
Weatherby ammo hold up to their claims in my .270wea..inch by inch...feet by feet.
The 270wea takes of, where the 7mm looses breath..almost
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21 March 2010, 17:42
phurley5My vote would be the .270 Wby. I have never shot one and I usually don't comment on chamberings I have not shot. However, I own and shoot extensively two .270 WSM's, which is the near equivelent of the Wby round. I have shot and loaded for and hunted with the 7mm Rem for years and it will not do what my WSM's will do. My 7mm STW will better them for some loads, but not enough to sneeze about. Just my .02 worth. Good shooting.
phurley
21 March 2010, 18:29
metricSave a lot of trouble, and buy a 280 Rem
Less recoil, better bullet behavior, 5 in the mag, about the same trajectory, not so noisy etc
M
21 March 2010, 19:23
Steve LefforgeI just happen to own both the 270WM and the 7mm Remington Mag. And the 270 WM is a very nice flat and hard hitting caliber however, I'd have to go with the 7mm Mag with 175 Nosler Partition. My handloads will shoot over 3000 fps, which put it up near the 300 Win Mag for power. Both are outstanding caliber, it just comes down to bullet placement.
Good-Shooting
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
... 7mm Mag with 175 Nosler Partition. My handloads will shoot over 3000 fps...
Oh yeah?
- mike
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22 March 2010, 03:14
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by mho:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
... 7mm Mag with 175 Nosler Partition. My handloads will shoot over 3000 fps...
Oh yeah?
- mike
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22 March 2010, 03:25
ted thornquote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
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Originally posted by mho:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
... 7mm Mag with 175 Nosler Partition. My handloads will shoot over 3000 fps...
Oh yeah?
- mike
I had a differant reaction...
I suppose the 7 Mags I have had through the years had slow tubes.
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22 March 2010, 03:47
SliderIt's a No Brainer when you consider loaded ammo cost or Bullets available to reloading!!! 7mm
22 March 2010, 04:29
<Mike McGuire>It seems when all else is equal both Americans and Australians will pick 270 over 7mmm
270 Win Vs 280 Rem
270 WSM Vs 7mm WSM
270 Wby Vs 7mm Wby
22 March 2010, 08:21
Steve Lefforgehmo,vapordog,ted
What seems to be you're problem?
Steve
22 March 2010, 09:09
martinc1964quote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
hmo,vapordog,ted
What seems to be you're problem?
Steve
you're = you are
your = possessive form of "you"
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22 March 2010, 09:37
BrandoI have a Sendero model 7mm Mag and love it...I cant comment on the 270 cause I have never had one. Shot them a few times, but you cant really justify a comment on shooting another mans gun 2-3 times at the range.
Mine has been shot out too 465 yrds accuratly enough to kill game. Its a heavy barrel so you definately dont want to the hit the mountain side with it. I would expect out west my sendero would be a prime time Elk and Whitetail gun at long distances.
I used to own a Vanguard in .270Wby and with the factory 24" barrel, was getting 3250fps with 150gr and 3350-3375fps with 130gr. Get it for the cool factor
Darn, I miss it now
22 March 2010, 14:53
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
hmo,vapordog,ted
What seems to be you're problem?
Steve
One should at least achieve a G E D before bashing folks on the internet.
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22 March 2010, 15:04
jetdrvrI have two 7mm's. Both are deadly accurate. There's about a five grand difference in price, but WTH, I just wanted a fancy rifle.
I've killed gemsbok out past 300 with a 160 A Frame and a lot of other stuff, too. Whatever blows your skirts up. I like sevens and they have worked for me in the States, Canada and Africa.
I also like several other calibers, but you can only shoot one at a time.
22 March 2010, 16:27
Steve LefforgeVapordog
I don't know where I was bashing anyone. You started the bashing not me. I was just comparing the two calibers and giving facts.
And I wasn't bragging up my reloads or 7mm mag, for that matter it could be anybodys reloads or 7mm Mag.
I look back at my post and I shouldn't have compared apples to orange such as factory loads to reloads.
So I don't see where I bashing anyone.
Steve
22 March 2010, 16:59
vapodogquote:
Vapordog
can you at least get this much right?
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22 March 2010, 17:11
Hot Corequote:
Originally posted by Steve Lefforge:
...7mm Mag with 175 Nosler Partition. My handloads will shoot over 3000 fps, ...
Hey Steve, What is the Load you are using and what is the Barrel length?
I can't remember ever seeing a 175gr Partition go that fast from a 7mmRemMag. On the other hand, I had a Fast Barrel 7mmRemMag which would shoot 150gr Partitions at 3050fps from a 24" barrel. With the exact same Load, 150gr B-Tips went 3000fps - 50fps slower. Oh yes, the Partitions would(will since I still have some of them) cut into the first shot hole with the second shot.
Not saying you can't get 3000fps with a 175gr Partition, but I've never come close with any rifle I've ever had.
Never had a 270WbyMag, so I can't comment on it. Never even had a person Hunt with us that had one - that I can remember.
Best of luck to you folks.
Steve, since I started being sceptical about the 7mm Rem Mag/175 grs/+3000 fps combination, it is probably fair if I chime in (I have the feeling Vapodog was simply agreeing with me - so you can beat me up, if you feel the need).
HotCore put it a lot more constructively that I did - I'm sorry to say I probably resorted to mild disbelief mixed with a bit of irony. The long and the short of it is, that +3000 fps is awfully fast for a 175 grs load out of a 7mm Rem Mag. A few of us seem to have keyed on this.
Let's resort to Hot Core's approach and constructively discuss what load and barrel length supply the results.
- mike
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22 March 2010, 22:59
enfieldsparesquote:
No....none whatever.
The 7mm Rem Mag is heads and tails over the Weatherby .270.
1. It's costs less for ammo
2. Better bullet selection
3. Chance to shoot the 175 grain bullet
4. Chambered in many more choices of rifle
5. better resale value in the end
What he says. And that if you want to, need to, or HAVE TO*, you'll find 7mm Rem. Mag. ammunition "off the shelf" in virtually every gun shop the world over.
* Because often it's just less complicated/trouble/cost to just take the rifle by plane, ship or train and leave the ammunition at home buying it when you arrive.
23 March 2010, 02:02
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by analog_peninsula:
Hi everyone,
If you were buying a rifle in one of these two calibers, can you think of any meaningful reason to select the .270 Weatherby over the 7mm RM?
No
23 March 2010, 02:05
MARK H. YOUNGI've owned both and I think I'd choose the 270 Weatherby because I see it as a flat shooting rifle for deer size animals. It will do 4350 fps with 130 TSX and you could want more for deer/antelope etc. If you want more punch I think I'd just bypass the 7MM Reminton and get a 300 mag of some type.
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Steve LefforgeHot Core
The load is:
66.0 grains of IMR-7828 (regular cut)
WW cases
CCI-250
175 grain Nosler Partition
Muzzle velocity 15' from muzzle 3060 fps
3 shot group @ 100 5/8"
26" barrel
Oehler 35
No sign of high pressure
I also tried this load in three other 7mm Rem Mag with excellent accuracy. However, I didn't chronograph the speed.
Steve
23 March 2010, 02:26
Hot CoreThanks Steve, I've not had a 26" 7mmRemMag, so you are in an area I've just not tried.
I did try IMR-7828 when they initially released it, but I feel sure I did not try it with a 175gr Bullet back then. I was using copious amounts of H870 for the bullets above 150gr and getting right fine accuracy, but I do not remember chronographing any of those.
I see people speak highly of IMR-7828 and the 7mmRemMag, but it never gave me the accuracy of H4831, IMR-4831 and (Ta-Daaa) H1000.
Anyway, best of luck to all you folks.
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I had a Fast Barrel 7mmRemMag which would shoot 150gr Partitions at 3050fps from a 24" barrel.
If I could not get 3050mv from a non fast/regular performing barrel, id be scratching my head.