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Steyr Monobloc - a unique concept?
15 October 2018, 15:00
Double RifleSteyr Monobloc - a unique concept?
Steyr Mannlicher has just announced the new "monobloc" rifle, where the barrel and receiver are one integral piece forged and machined as a unit. There isn't much information yet, except for the fact that the action rides on an aluminum frame inside the stock just like the defunct Anschutz 1780 and 1781.
https://www.steyr-arms.com/en/...fles/steyr-monobloc/Am I right to assume that this has not been done before? What do you think of the concept? Immediately once thinks about the impossibility of changing the barrel when it wears out, but there must be some advantages, right?
15 October 2018, 23:16
rnoviWell now ain't that interesting.
From another source:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com...c-bolt-action-rifle/$5,300 (retail) in Europe for the rifle.
Actually, I'm not sure this rifle makes any sense at all for the Euro market. Many countries restrict the number of rifles you can own...which is part of the reason switch-barrel platforms exist. One rifle, many calibers.
From the news: The Steyr Monobloc rifle also comes with a detachable trigger group and manual cocking mechanism. The rifle is fed from 4-round detachable box magazines. It will be first available chambered in .308 Winchester or .30-06 Springfield. Later the following caliber options will be added: 270 Win., 7×64, 8x57IS. The overall length of Steyr Monobloc rifle is 42.3″ (1,075mm) with the 22″ (558 mm) barrel. The rifle weighs 8 lbs 2.5 oz (3.7 kilograms).
So it's a little heavy and there's no larger bore (9.3 or .375) to start. It strikes me that it's going to be superbly accurate and at least in those calibers it's going to take several thousands of rounds to burn out a barrel.
I'll be interested to see what shakes on it...but I'm really not in the market for a new rifle anyway.
Regards,
Robert
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16 October 2018, 00:35
Nordic2It are probably relativly cheap to manufactor even if they have put a ridiculus high price on it. Not all countrys in europe counts the receiver as the thing wich makes it a rifle.
16 October 2018, 04:20
Jerry LilesIf you can't replace the barrel it effectively becomes a disposable rifle no matter what the price. Granted probably 99% of rifles are never shot enough for that to be a worry but is is for me.
Jerry Lies
16 October 2018, 05:07
Double RifleCan anyone think of a potential advantage for this design? I'm sure when they do the full release they will assign certain advantages to it, but I can't think of any at the moment.
16 October 2018, 05:13
FjoldShoot, shoot, shoot, rebore.
Frank
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16 October 2018, 05:49
crfHow about Savage Md. 19 NRA. Also Sav. Nra 1933 target. 22 rimfire, 32-20 some others. All one piece machined barrel and receiver. Just sayin'.
Dave
16 October 2018, 14:58
p dog shooterquote:
Can anyone think of a potential advantage for this design
Yes makes the company a lot's of money.
17 October 2018, 05:53
rnoviquote:
Originally posted by Fjold:
Shoot, shoot, shoot, rebore.
now that's a great idea.
If you started with a 270...you could rebore (*maybe) to a 7mm/280...then '06...then 338-'06...then 9.3x62...
Geez, gotta be 15,000 accurate rounds in all that metal.
Regards,
Robert
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H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer!
18 October 2018, 01:30
GBELeather inlays, detachable trigger, ugly ergonomic stock.... well someone has obviously decided they need to target the Blaser R8 success market.... shame they are trying to compete at the same price point but without the switch barrel / take down feature.
Quite a few switch barrels since Gehmanns Mauser 66 have a bolt that locks directly into the barrel so not sure if the whole thing is a revolution as claimed. As for the inability to rebarrel, haven’t most Steyrs since the SSG69 been barrelled via cryogenic shrinking anyway, just like the cheaper Sauers and Mausers. If you want to rebarrel a European rifle you buy a switch barrel and hope they are still making that product line when your barrel needs replacing...
The revolution video is worth watching, if for nothing more than to see the demise of hunting fashions in the past 50 years
Formerly Gun Barrel Ecologist
18 October 2018, 06:43
sambarman338It's an old, cheap idea. Winchester used it for .22s and Savage made rifles in .25-20 and .32-20, using it.
If it can be done with great precision it might make good sense in that misaligned barrels could be avoided, and that could mean scopes with constantly centred reticles might lose their shim-thin justification.
The need to replace barrels is minimal for many hunters, esp. in big calibres. Also, the value of interchangeable barrels is more fancied than real. Thinking you can save weight by taking one rifle and an extra barrel to Africa may end in tears if you need your 'big rifle' in a hurry.
18 October 2018, 07:52
Mike_DettorreBeauty must be in the eye of the beholder because that rifle is double coyote ugly.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
18 October 2018, 19:20
Mike_DettorreDo you actually own one of these?
Because that is what your post implies given that it is written in the present tense and we all know how serious you are about the precise use of words.
or are you just making an substantiated claim regarding accuracy for this particular rifle?
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 October 2018, 01:38
Mike_DettorreDo you mean SSG 69?
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 October 2018, 04:42
Mike_DettorreOk the SSG 69. Nice shot with Ele - right up there with Bell.
I just want to make sure I understand your logic. You seem to be claiming the new Steyr "monobloc" which is an integral action and barrel will be extremely accurate based on your experience with the SSG 69 which is a rear locking lug "conventional bolt" action rifle.
or are you simply taking it as a given that since previous steyrs are accurate all new steyrs will be accurate.
Just trying "square" this logic/conclusion which is shall we say "unscientific" with your exacting use of physics terminology
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 October 2018, 17:15
Double Riflequote:
Originally posted by sambarman338:
If it can be done with great precision it might make good sense in that misaligned barrels could be avoided, and that could mean scopes with constantly centred reticles might lose their shim-thin justification.
Good one. I should have thought of it, but I just did not
19 October 2018, 20:48
Mike_DettorreYour explanation immediately above is correct and was absent from your original logic
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
21 October 2018, 08:45
Double Riflequote:
Originally posted by ALF:
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