and another thing,I dont like recoil much and if I didnt really believe this thing didn`t have an advantage over the 270 or the 300 Winny for that matter I wouldnt have it.I aint gonna sit here and lie to you about it.if it didnt give the results it would NOT hold a spot in my safe.

To quote another member here...."You can bullshit the fans but not the players!!!"

Way to handle that one MB. Experience and pictures!!! The phrase "Put up or shut up" comes to mind. You're makin' it kinda hard for the "cyber-hunters" to compete(unless they're really really good with Photo Shop!). Great pics by the way.

ever seen a 90 lbs doe soak up over 5000 ft lbs of energy?I have.

[ 03-21-2003, 05:20: Message edited by: mr.big ]

I didnt mean to come off as a know it all or do I think every deer I ever shoot with the Big 30 will go straight down,but I know what I have seen.

The doe was actually taken with the 150 Partition at over 3650 fps.It is the one that took 2 steps.

The 180 load causes way yonder more damage and delivers a shock to the system that cant be ignored.

If my Ultra does as good as evryone says they do, Im gonna name it THOR!

Glad to see this string. Just bought a 300RUM in a Win 70 Classic. Was trying to decide if I should trade it off for one of the Short Mags or not. Maybe I'll keep it after all.
Helicopter Bill

Huntaholic,I thought that was the name of BSK`s double barrled .58.maybe that was the Hammer of Thor.

Oh gosh, I dont wanna name it that then, next thing you know my 4 wheeler will be butting heads with trains!

Mr. big....................................First off yeh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what you said!!Question..would a nosler balistic tip 180gr or the partition 180 gr makes more of a mess inside 200 yds.

The 180 Balistic Tip at over 3400 is a mess maker for sure.

Reposted from big bore forum. "I have a 375 ultra . Mine is a rem bdl ss . I put a 3x9 leopold compact on it and I think it is just as sweet as pie.
So far I have shot 260 grain ballistic tips and 270 grain failsafes out of it. Both with 90-95 grains of imr 4350. I have not chrony any velocities yet but I am sure they are going fast enough. I found the 90 grain loads to be very easy to shoot , about like a stiff 338 win mag with 275 gr bullets.

I am going to put a pachmyer XXX magnum (F990)
recoil pad on it , change the trigger , and maybe even smooth the underside of the bolt (cause the checkering rips the skin off my trigger finger even with gloves on). " I can't wait to hunt with it.

I have a Winchester Model 70,that I had rechambered to 375 RUM,I love it. It is very acurate and reliable. Havent taken any game with it yet,but I am sure it will do its part if I do mine. Here are a couple of groups I shot today,100 yds,nice day to shoot! . This particular load is 100 grs of IMR 7828 with a 260 gr nosler balistic tip,3000fps!

I have a 300 RUM in a SAKO SS/Synthetic. After considerable case prep I developed the following load: 180 Partition Golds, 215br cap, 109gr AA8700. Launches them at 3315 fps and shoots incredible. Best 3 shot group so far at 300 YDS. was .942"!! The 150 SSt's at 3600 fps shoot 1.1" at 300 yds....this baby shoots!!!!!!!

I had the Stainless Sendero in .338 RUM but had to sell it to pay medical bills . It was by far the best shooting gun I've had. Tons of fun to shoot. I think I will go with something in .338 Lapua next time though.

mr. big,

Nice deer. My dog is bigger than that.

Just curious, at what range does a RUM start killing game better than a 300 win mag or 338 win
mag?
What advantage does the RUM offer over these cartridges?

I have a 338 RUM and I shoot the 180gr bullets at 3514fps. In about a month I'll see how accruate they are at that fps. I don't have any problem with the recoil of that gun. I just hold it tight against my shoulder. I can shoot the 250gr bullet at over 3000fps. The only thing I don't like about the 180gr bullets is that they are ballistic tip but that seems to be the only kind thats made for the 338. The reason I don't like ballistic bullets is that they make a big hole when they exit. Distroys the fur.

bearstalker,what kind a dog you got that goes 245 and would field dress 191?

I have the .300, .338, and the 375 ultra mags.
The .300 is fairly messy though it drops deer sized game quickly. Just don't try it on elk or larger without 180 fail safes, or 200 Noslers etc.
The .338 Rum with 225 Noslers @ 3200fps is a vicious killer an is flat shooting as well. The .338 Rum is surprisingly messy, so some of us are going to be trying the 225 X @ 3100 fps this year(there are 5 of us with custom .338 Rums).It may be the best all rounder if you shoot bigger stuff.
The .375 Ultra is still a relative new commer to me. I can tell you that the recoil is not as bad as Boddington says it is. In fact imo the .338 feels a little snappier. It could be that putting these guns into McMillan stocks helps even the score a bit. The .375 is a real power house though and should drop the bigger stuff with some authority.
Best of luck with whatever you chose. Any are a better choice than little buddy's (mighty) 270.

That guy needs to pick up a new name, and maybe a new gun whie he's at it.

O'Conners been dead for a long time Smallfry. Welcome to the 21st century.

fool, there is nothing mighty or NEW about the 270 or ANY of the RUMs.The ballistics of these cartridges have been around since the 50s, you might want to wake up. If any of you turds have/had been around for sometime, I would imagine you would have owned or bought 338-378Kt's 378wbys or 300-378s loooong ago, rather then stumbling across "the new ballistic wonders" of the world. Its fascinating to me what 200 fps will do for your ego; yourself and a few other Trolls on this thread are enamored by it. A subtle fact that you can precieve the difference between the recoil of the 375 RUM and the 338, explains that you are not very experianced with recoil, or are constantly worrying about it. But all is well, the RUMs will kill about the same as any other of their magnum counterparts, and its nice to know they have brought alot of attention to the shooting sports.

[ 04-25-2003, 19:25: Message edited by: smallfry ]

I've shot a couple whitetail at about 20 yards with my .300 Weatherby with 180 gr. bullets (Scirocco and Horn. SST) starting at 3250 fps and neither one dropped in its tracks. Their reaction was about the same as those I have shot with conventional cartridges, they ran and then piled up within 50 yards.

smallfry,
Are you prepaired to say that headspacing on the shoulder instead of on a belt provides no advantage in terms of accuracy?

recoiljunky If you ask a overbroad question like that, then... yes it has no advantage in terms of accuracy.

"... just then, after all these decades, cartriges with belts stopped shooting well and everyone threw down thier guns and went home."

[ 04-25-2003, 21:45: Message edited by: smallfry ]

It,s pretty easy to push your buttons Smallfry.
Just having some fun at your expense.
Prior to the ultra mags I had a .338-378(still have). Until the introduction of newer powders (RL-25, Retumbo, etc) there was no real sizable gain in velocity with the 338/378 over the 340. the same held true with the 30/378 and the 300 wby. The only real gain was with H870 (if your gun liked it).
The .378 is a rough gun to shoot in the Weatherby stock, so I never bought one. Few people can handle a full throttle 378. But you would know that everone has a recoil threshold. Being honest with yourself is the first step in recoil control. Practice and determination are the second.
The .300 or .338 RUM will push heavy bullets that penetrate better and shoot much flatter than your 270.The biggest advantage of the ultra mags is that they fit into a standard (rem./winchester action). So in that sense they are revolutionary.

Nothing wrong with the 270 if you can't shoot a real gun.

The only contribution I can make to this thread is to urge all of you out there to jump on the UltraMag bandwagon. Why don't you just re-barrel your existing, obsolete belted magnum rifles with these fabulous new offerings? I make this recommendation especially to those of you who might currently own extremely accurate .300 Winchester Mags. Let's face it, that cartridge is outdated in much the same way as any automobile developent from the 1960s (like a vintage Ford Mustang, for example) is outdated by today's newer cars. Oh, and since you won't be needing those "obsolete" .300 Winchester barrels on your existing rifles anymore, I'll even agree to help you out. In the interest of assisting your progress and modernization, I'll be happy to take your best-shooting specimens of those old barrels off your hands for the cost of postage



Hooray for the UltraMags!!!

P17
Think I will sell Barrel.
30 Cal 300 Ultra chamber 26in stainless.
Did I mention how messy it is?
I actually like to eat my game after I barbeque it. The 300 Rum works, its just not for me.
For shots out to 350 (my self imposed limit) or so yards I still prefer my 300 Win. for deer.
Since you are from B.C. you should know that in my opinion (and that of my freinds)the .338 ultra is hard to beat on elk and moose and seems to be a big step up in the impresson it leaves on big game.

I should mention the throat on the 300 ultra doesn't look to good. Nearly 800 rounds through it. Not good.
It still shoots if you're tempted.
Jamie

Mr. Big.
That is a beauty in the back of the pick-em-up.
Good show.
Frank

Hey, X-Man, I hear you. My offer was to purchase the unwanted .300 Winchester Magnum barrels, because that is a cartridge I respect greatly (and I need to put a new barrel on a shot-out Sako). I agree with you that if I was going to get an UltraMag, I'd probably go with the .338 because that seems more like a more balanced cartridge to me. In many ways it seems like the .338 Lapua, which is a serious long-range cannon.

But I don't really have any use for a cannon that big, nor do I care to imagine what that level of recoil would be like. So I'll stick with the old-fashioned .300 Winchester Magnum, thank you very much.

I certainly like my .300 RUM, and it did drop 100% of the one deer shot with it in its tracks. Not that that's statistically significant or anything.

But I don't know how people get those velocities. I've hit max charge weights with several powders, and still can't get over 3300 with a 180 gr. bullet. (Nosler BT and Part., and 175 gr Matchkings).

Accuracy has also rapidly gone downhill. Gun originally shot consistent sub-one inch groups with any old bullet. Now I'm lucky to get a 2" group, with careful loading. Partitions are now unusable. Gun's an LSS, with 26" barrel. I'm having a 'smith check it over. Wish me luck; I hope the barrel's not shot out. I've only got 400 rounds through it.

Pertinax

I just bought a used left hand LSS in 300RUM, that I mailed to Hill Country Rifles to have the accuracy job, Jewell trigger, and teflon coat. I'm hoping for a great result.
Doc

UM's for deer hunting... just when you thought you'd seen enough silly shit on the internet...

Guys,
Can anyone explain why it seems to cause some of us bloody diarrhea when someone uses a magnum caliber to deer hunt? I mean really, it's what ever turns you on. Does the deer really know the difference? Are any of us so malnourished that the little bit of meat messed up beyond what the '06 would have done it significant to our diet. If it is, I would suggest you sell your hunting stuff, and use it for food, 'cause hunting for food is usually not cost effective. Or is it the pollution caused by burning the extra powder, or are you worried that your taxes will go up to pay for the health care that my magnum-bruised arthritic shoulder will need?

I don't need an Omega to tell time, or a Porsche to get to work, but they make me happy, and I think they are cool. I could easily use a Timex and a Chevy, have before, will again, no problem, but ain't this whole forum about our toys. I just find it hard to get steamed up about this kind of trivia. Now go and point your barrel at me, fart around with your gun while I'm downrange, go out drunk, or poach...........that'll piss me off powerfully.
Don

It's still silly shit...

I don't know why everyone can't just hunt with what they want too without somebody getting their feelings hurt cause someone else hunts with something they don't. I just don't get these busybodies worrying about it. Last year, I killed deer with a 270win, 22-250, 44mag, a bunch with a bow, muzzleloader, sluggun, and yes a 300RUM. I just love guns. All guns. Who cares if someone uses a 300RUM on deer or not????? Its just a simple gun. No big deal. For example, I wouldn't use a 338 win mag on elk, but some people want too. I would rather lug around my 308win or 270win.

WOW,Brad and smallfry sound like Hillary Clinton and Mrs Brady telling people what they should hunt with.Screw'em mr big,arnt you glad you live in America.17 to 50cal,your choice.

Apparently you boys flunked reading comprehension...

264winmag, if you read carefully I believe I infer quite a bit support in RUMs and any other cartridge for that matter, therefore, people who disagree with my posts on this thread cant accept the statement I made about how the RUMs kill probably about the same as many other calibers. Alot of new retards comming on this board lately, and I will quickly suggest your one of them, though seeing how you only have 6 posts, perhaps you are just trying to make a name for yourself.

[ 05-04-2003, 11:20: Message edited by: smallfry ]

smallfry,
You misspelled coming. You probably shouldn't call people retards and misspell a two syllable word in the same sentence. It makes you look dumb.

Your statement that rums "kill probably about the same as many other calibers" can easily be interpreted as you discounting the improvements of these new cartridges over their predecessors. An easy mistake for a retard I guess.

Improved accuracy through headspacing off the shoulder is not an over-generalization, it's a fact of cartridge design.

I don't need a silly brat, I mean brad to tell me what I should be hunting with. He'd crap in his pants if he knew I shot 2 lbs varmints with my 300 rum!

You boys are a bit touchy, no?

I think it's fantastic to hunt with whatever you want... I'm all for it. In fact, using ONE RIFLE for everything is a great idea, gophers to moose, 270 to 375 H&H. On the other hand, for use on eastern whitetails and bragging about "drop in tracks" one shot kills on 90 lb does and other small bodied deer is funny as heck... guess ya'll can't see the humor in it!

smallfry,
English lesson for you: given the way you used it, the author doesn't "infer; " that's the reader's job (to draw conclusions). The author implies, suggests, or alludes, and the reader makes the inferences. In your case, people made the wrong inferences maybe because your implications weren't clear enough.

Hey, if you're gonna use dem big words, use 'em good!