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08 March 2004, 07:51
<JOHAN>
Starkmantel-Geschoss manufactured ?
Gentlemen



I heard that someone has started to make the old brenneke Starkmantel-Geschoss. Anyone who knows more about this?



Don't be shy



Cheers

/ JOHAN
08 March 2004, 10:15
<eldeguello>
Haven't heard anything about this, but, except for nostalgic reasons, why would you want to use them when there are so many newer and better designs available today?? (Just curious!! )
08 March 2004, 14:07
carcano91
Quote:

I heard that someone has started to make the old brenneke Starkmantel-Geschoss. Anyone who knows more about this?



Had manufactured, had (plusquamperfect). MEN, in the 1970s and 1980s. You can still sometimes find a box in gunshops.
But it's a thing of the past again.

Carcano
09 March 2004, 00:42
Danny Pay
Hi Johan
just forget about it you can't find those old goodies easily
danny
09 March 2004, 06:03
<JOHAN>
Gentlemen



A friend bought a few hundred bullets in 9,3 along with some 9,3X64 ammo not too long ago. I understand the price was a steal



Has anyone tried the TOG?



Cheers

/ JOHAN
09 March 2004, 10:55
ALF
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09 March 2004, 11:05
Danny Pay
DO YOU MEAN TUG TORPEDO UNIVERSAL GESCHOS"aren't you imperessed by my german Oh yes it was many years before these so called permium bullets like nosler become known TIG ,TUG and H mantel Has been favorit among the hunters around the world, anyway i like H mantels they are very quick killers on sheep and ibex,but if you want to hunt somthing bigger and tougher then TUG or TIG are better choices.those stark mantels your freind got aren't they solid fmj bulles? i recall the solids were called so if my old brain works right
good hunt
danny
09 March 2004, 23:44
<JOHAN>
Gentlemen

From Brennekes website:

"Introduced in the 1930s, the �Starkmantel� bullet (hard-jacket) gained a legendary reputation among hunters. Now BRENNEKE continues this success with the TOG�.

This field-proven hard-jacket design is complemented by the torpedo tail and the sharp-cutting edge, both of which are successful inventions made by the design engineer Wilhelm Brenneke. Additional details such as the innovative bonding method, a new inner groove as well as a hollow point help to create an optimum expansion bullet with unique characteristics: the Original BRENNEKE Torpedo-Optimal-Bullet (TOG�).
Characteristics of the TOG�:
high bullet base with torpedo tail for optimum interior and muzzle ballistics

bonding method provides reliable combination of bullet jacket and core

strong jacket cover in the guiding surface touching the barrel

new-type inner groove geared to control expansion

distinct sharp-cutting edge for entry hole with cut hair and blood

hollow point provides quick expansion.

Owing to its design features the TOG� shows a very favourable ballistic coefficient of .42. The bullet precision thus makes it ideal for long distance shots"

Cheers
/JOHAN
10 March 2004, 08:33
carcano91
Quote:

The TOG is certainly looks good on the pics I have seen, almost the same concept as the Speer tungston cored african bullets.
The tog has a dumbell shaped steel needle (sharp at one end) imbedded in a standard jacketed bullet.



?
Don't know to which bullet this description pertains, but it's not the TOG.

Johan: The TOG aspires to be a successor of the former Starkmantelgescho�, but it's not the same.

Carcano
10 March 2004, 17:57
djpaintles
I guess it's unfortunate to own an overcomplicated piece of expensive junk. I must be really lucky that my glorified toy shoots 1/2 minute groups at 300 yds with premium hunting bullets. If it keeps shooting so well I might start thinking that it's a rifle.
11 March 2004, 01:02
<JOHAN>
carcano91

Do you know anyone in Germany that have used the TOG for hunting? It would be interesting to know their opion about performance, accuracy etc.

I'm thinking about trying the TOG in 9,3 or in my 8X64S.

Heard anything regarding the Blaser R-93 accidents?

Regards
/JOHAN
11 March 2004, 02:32
Danny Pay
I see it is a totaly new round !I saw the picture on the net. very nice bullet a good exemple of German geniusity looking like a swift sirocco but with hollow poiont und Zehe stark mantel. surly a very good bullet like all german made bullets.
danny
11 March 2004, 09:47
carcano91
Quote:

carcano91

Do you know anyone in Germany that have used the TOG for hunting? It would be interesting to know their opion about performance, accuracy etc.

I'm thinking about trying the TOG in 9,3 or in my 8X64S.





Yes. Have reports from its repeated use in a 8x65 RS double rifle, on roe and boar. The reloader and hunter is a gunsmith acquaintance of mine. Overall, he has reported convincing bullet performance. Good penetration, only small to medium meat damage under usual circumstances, but the first part of the bipartite bullet will disintegrate upon hitting the shoulder blade (with the expectable larger damage).



Quote:

Heard anything regarding the Blaser R-93 accidents?







We do not know the cause yet (prosecution is still waiting for the expertise), but we know the constructional reason why the damage occurred like it did :-(.