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18 April 2010, 18:52
eny
to clean or not to clean
I'm comparing tsx vs sierra bullets in my 30-06. Should I shoot them both in the same session? Or, shoot one, then clean and shoot the other?
18 April 2010, 19:00
375fan
I would clean just to have clean barrel for a fair comparison of loads,or bullets. I do that between different powder charges with same bullet.
18 April 2010, 21:01
wasbeeman
+1


Aim for the exit hole
18 April 2010, 21:27
bartsche
fishingI never clean a rifle at the range, even when trying different loads(samebullet) or different bullets same rifle. beerroger


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18 April 2010, 21:41
DKim
I would have both loads, two targets, and then randomly select which round is fired each time (of course shoot it at the target set for that load). You could generate a prepared random order of loads fired.

This a basic principle of experimentation that may save some time.

Hope that may help.

DK
19 April 2010, 00:09
900 SS
Clean. I have experienced bad copperfouling from mixing TSX's and Matchkings. Clean between(wow)and no such problems.
19 April 2010, 18:07
jro45
I clean my Rifles after every time I shoot them.Even tho some of them do not require to be cleaned.
19 April 2010, 18:46
Grumulkin
I believe in cleaning fairly often (after every 20 to 30 rounds) but I've found no need to clean between shooting different loads or bullet types. This includes Barnes bullets and other bullets of jacketed lead core construction.
19 April 2010, 18:55
eny
Thanks for the imput. will go with cleaning.
19 April 2010, 20:57
bartsche
quote:
Originally posted by eny:
Thanks for the imput. will go with cleaning

stirBOOOOO! beerroger


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20 April 2010, 03:39
wasbeeman
DKIM's method works well. I've done it. The only problem I had was the loss of concentration and posture that is lost when you change targets. Having to "re settle in" for each shot can loosen things up.
'course it's good practice if you shoot score matches rather than group matches. Big Grin


Aim for the exit hole
20 April 2010, 20:23
Rae59
I personally have found that the condition of the barrel, at the time each round is fired, AND the brand/type of bullets used, has more to do with accuracy than anything else,....of course this is assuming the barrel crown is good and the action is somewhat stabile and the scope isn't loose not to mention a consistant trigger finger. I have shot groups (3 shot) in succession with the same bullets but different powders with different loadings and the groups seem to end up in the same place at pretty much the same size group when pushed at the same velocities.
I have come the conclusion that primers and comparable burn rate powders make little to no difference in accuracy. (There are always some exceptions and I have a couple).

If the barrel fouls in-consistantly inside this affects bullet flight. I also think some bullet brands copper-foul barrels more readily than others.

Long story cut short, I would try it both ways.


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22 April 2010, 02:20
Mike1
eny: I believe the TSXs would leave more copper fouling than the Sierras. I think you would get a better evaluation of the bullets if you cleaned between types, using a good copper cleaner as well. Also recommend one or more fouling shots before shooting for groups.
22 April 2010, 03:21
JD Miller
quote:
Should I shoot them both in the same session?

Sure, Shoot 5 of the sierras then 5 of the tsx, or 3 and 3.

I do it all the time. Cleaning rather than not after just 5 shots or even 10 aint going to make any significance in comparison. Besides you might get tired after cleaning and not shoot as good Cool
22 April 2010, 18:29
rnovi
All I can add to this is that every time I've shot from a clean bore I've needed 2-3 fouling shots before things would tighten up and I'd stop throwing flyers.

So, in the end, I wipe my rifles down every trip to the range and do a full cleaning about eery 3-4th trip to the range. So, about every 50 shots or so.

With my handguns, specifically .357 and .45acp, I don't bother cleaning them until they start keyholing. That's about 1,000 rounds. Which, when I was trying to be competitive, was once a month. Lead Away patches and stainless revolvers rock.


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Robert

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24 April 2010, 04:08
WhatThe
quote:
Originally posted by bartsche:
fishingI never clean a rifle at the range, even when trying different loads(samebullet) or different bullets same rifle. beerroger


Do you ever shoot at Piru gun range "Wes Thompson"?
24 April 2010, 04:43
bartsche
quote:
Originally posted by WhatThe:
quote:
Originally posted by bartsche:
fishingI never clean a rifle at the range, even when trying different loads(samebullet) or different bullets same rifle. beerroger


Do you ever shoot at Piru gun range "Wes Thompson"?

popcornNever have but might consider doing that. Most of my shooting now is at Angeles range near Tejunga.Wed.is my normal shooting day. Does the Piru range have a web site? tu2roger


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