Hi just returned a .358 win rifle to the factory for my money back and will replace with a new one, 100% sure it will be a Kimber classic. I shoot 100% WT deer and pigs and most likely will hunt mostly with a .223/63 grain TSX this year. During the week or so of the rut, I might bring a bigger gun as they seem to run a bit further when in full rut and I don't have a 4 wheeler. With a .270Win in the safe and good loads developed with the 130 Nosler flat base bullet, or a 300WSM with 180 Hornady's Interlocks can I justify a 7-08 or should I get a .338 Federal?

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With a .270 Winchester in the safe can you justify a 7-08?

Darn right you can.....shooters and hunters can justify a new rifle regardless of practicality any time........you can even justify two .270s!!!

Some crazy folks can justify a half dozen 270s.

I've got a 270 and a 280, so I think it would be ok to have a 7-08 also.

Jimmy,

The Kimber 84M's stand out as they are lighter by a substantial margin over most other rifles. If this is the case over your 270 then a 7-08 or what cartridge you favor would make sense.



Kimber 84M Classic 7mm-08.

yes, i like my 7-08 over the .270 that i had if you dont already have one get one in a 24 in, like the 700 CDL rem.

yes

yes you can

Depends on what the meaning of "justify" is.

"Because I can" works as justification for me. If the purchase hasn't harmed anyone else, buy it, grin, then start thinking about the next one........life is too short to waste time justifying pecadillos to someone else.

If you want it, just get it. You might also look at the 260 Rem as it works very well for deer and hogs.

I agree that emotionally you can never have too many good guns, but logically no you do not need it if you already have a good 270.
As you already know there is nothing and I mean nothing that a 708 can do that a 270 can't do as well or better.

Except fit into a short handy action..

I'm at a complete loss to undertand the use of the word justify in the context of the question asked
What ever can it mean?

the thought trend here is 7-08 is OK even with a .270 win and forget the 338 Fed even if it is mo different than the .270

Yes you can, because I see the 7mm-08 as the SA version of the 270 Win. if I was to get a 7mm-08, it would definitely be in a Kimber.

But I personally can't do it, but that is because I am not a big fan of SA rifles, I just like the way standard action rifles feel.

I am also trying to be practical. I currently have three 270's in the safe. Well over 2000 pieces of brass, over 1000 bullets on the reloading bench. So in my mind I can't justify adding a bunch more reloading inventory for a new cartridge.


But don't let practicality stand in the way.

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With a .270 Winchester in the safe can you justify a 7-08?

Objectively, no. Subjectively, yes. If in fact you own a rifle that can kill the largest of game animals you intend to hunt, can you really objectively justify owning any other firearm? No.

Why not just be like the vast majority of us and buy the 7-08 just cuz ya want it?

Justify? Hell, it's almost a necessity. As is the .338 (that's called being responsible and planning for the future).

Absolutely. I justified a 338-378 Wby for those "bullet proof" elk that are out there now days . I mean an '06 just won't cut it anymore. Then too I justified a 257 Wby for deer and antelope because the '06 would do too much damage . What the Mrs doesn't know won't hurt me .

Ken....

there is absolutely no need for 7mm-08 when you already have .270.
but if want it, go get it.

personally i would put the money for both rifles in one good 6.5-7mm

7-08 84M Clasic

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With a .270 Winchester in the safe can you justify a 7-08?

No as apart from the bullet diameter - which might be important if you've come across a cheap supply of 7mm bullets - it can't do anything a 270 can't do...as a 7-08 does not have any advantage in being able to fire the heavyweight bullet weights over 160 grains that the 270 can't...or that aren't available in .277" diameter.

With a 270 in the safe could you justify a 280? Most definitely yes if you want to fire heavyweight bullets of 175 grains. And apart from not being much chambered now the 280 is everything the 7-08 is and better.

But not if you are sticking to the 140 grain weight.

if you want an atv, forget the 7-08 and put the money toward the 4 wheeler. that 270 you have will do anything you want to do to deer (and bigger stuff as well).

You can ALWAYS justify a 7-08. Especially with regards to a .270. A 7-08's rep was built quietly on solid performance without a paid monthly article extolling its vitues.
While the .270 is a good round, the 7-08 is the round it wisht it were.

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While the .270 is a good round, the 7-08 is the round it wisht it were.

The 7mm-08 is just one of the many offspring from the 30-06, as is the 270. But the 270 is older, more experienced, and proven. Someday it may grow up to have the same field credentials. But no matter how you weigh, stack and measure. The 7mm-08 will always lacking when compared to standard length cartridges.

I think I will just get the 4 wheeler...who needs another rifle anyway...

yes, you can easily justify the 7-08, especially if it's in a lightweight, compact package like the Kimber Montana or 84M. Lou

Gidday Jimmy,

My suggestion is get the 4 wheeler and a Sako finlight in 7-08 and be like me, too poor to be a ble to afford the diesel to get out after the deer. Like heck!!

Get the quad bike, then a Sako 7-08 next year and use your 270 for its last season.

Happy Hunting

Hamish

Don't waste your time trying to justify it just get what you want !
I will probably catch some heat , but I see no advantage whatsoever in th 7mm08 over the same rifle in .308.
Thats what I would prefer...tj3006

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
I see no advantage whatsoever in th 7mm08 over the same rifle in .308.tj3006

No advantage *** No need If you just want something a little different than the .270 get a rifle chambered for a cartridge with real meaning.The 7-08 Ain't it. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

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Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
I see no advantage whatsoever in th 7mm08 over the same rifle in .308.tj3006

No advantage *** No need If you just want something a little different than the .270 get a rifle chambered for a cartridge with real meaning.The 7-08 Ain't it. roger

what would be a cartridge of real meaning?

[/QUOTE] what would be a cartridge of real meaning?[/QUOTE]


The quote is an empty sign which signifies nothing, all there is are the words.

A BIG AMEN to all of the "Yes you can" guys above..

Don

sadly you are all right. The .270 has a synthetic stock on it and hence is a soulless hardwarish practical rifle that has shot on my better days 3 boolets into one half of an inch, I simply have got to have a wooden handled rifle with better looks yet one that I will have to fight to get to shoot into 1.5 inch, what else is there to do with your time during the summer? I hate golf....

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Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bartsche:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thomas Jones:
what would be a cartridge of real meaning?

Down scale; a 250-3000 or even a .257 Roberts.
Something with a little more authority : 35 Wehlen or a 9.3 X 62.

And he's right! "**all there is are the words**" roger

You know the answer to that one!

No, you don't need a 7-08 but you will get one in all likelyhood if your a normal male gunnut!

I think that the 7-08 has the potential to be made into a really light weight rifle that will do pretty much what a 7x57 will do. I have been looking at them, and the lightest factory rifle I found was about 6.25 pounds. If I were doing a lot of mountain hunting, I'd really be interested in one of these. I have a 270Win and I really like it, but anything on a 30-06 case is just not going to be as light without a lot of extra work as a short action will. Kudude

Yes and .338 Federal.

that was my wonder! Is the magazine box in the Kimber 84M in 7-08 long enough to shoot a bullet heavier than 140 grains or long enough to support using the longer barnes bullets? If not the 338 Federal would work with 180 grain bullets up to 225's. I am a little gun shy after the .358 winchester ordeal but the 338 does have more shoulder.

Abosolutely. Case in point. I recently had neck /disc surgury. Recoil is not good. The 7-08 recoils less thsan the 270. Hows that?

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Originally posted by Jimmy P Coaltrain:
that was my wonder! Is the magazine box in the Kimber 84M in 7-08 long enough to shoot a bullet heavier than 140 grains or long enough to support using the longer barnes bullets? If not the 338 Federal would work with 180 grain bullets up to 225's. I am a little gun shy after the .358 winchester ordeal but the 338 does have more shoulder.

Jimmy,

Please explain what you mean about being "gun shy" over the .358? Also what did you mean that the .338 "has more shoulder"? I have found that the .358W. has plenty of shoulder for any chambering requirements.

As to the magazine length of the 84M it will take a round to about 2.81" and that should hold just about any reasonable bullet. Don't over react on that.

Now as to the cartridge itself just about anything will improve on the .223 on deer. I do question that. Your choice of the 7-08 would be just fine.

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Originally posted by kudude:
I think that the 7-08 has the potential to be made into a really light weight rifle that will do pretty much what a 7x57 will do. I have been looking at them, and the lightest factory rifle I found was about 6.25 pounds. If I were doing a lot of mountain hunting, I'd really be interested in one of these. I have a 270Win and I really like it, but anything on a 30-06 case is just not going to be as light without a lot of extra work as a short action will. Kudude

Kimber montana in 7mm08 is 5 lb 2oz. (according to kimbers web site) Wetherby UL in .270 weighs 5 3/4 lbs. Remington made a guide gun availble through Cabelas and Gander mt (5 lb 12oz). I have seen them at a discount for under $500 NIB

jon