HAs anyone start working up loads for the green Bullets that will be required in California in a few years. I understand other locations have already required them. I am particularly interested in .308?

Welcome to the forum. I tried the 130 TTSX using close to the max book load of 48 grains (48.5 is max) of AA2230. Shot pretty well but never chrony'd them. Barnes says 3141 fps from 24" barrel. Here is a link to their loads published for free.

Good luck.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/w...007/02/308WinWeb.pdf

As far as I know, your choices are Barnes, Nosler E Tip and Hornady GMX. I have only used Barnes in 308 from 308 to RUM. The TTSX are usually as accurate as any bullet, have a good BC, don't have the fouling issue that the original X bullet had and work flawlessly on game. Pick the weight you want for your hunting application. I favor 150's for our light game in California and 165's or 180's for Africa in 308.

you know they mine lead and copper from the ground, quite often from the same hole, maybe a better explanation of green is in order.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
you know they mine lead and copper from the ground, quite often from the same hole, maybe a better explanation of green is in order.

Yep!

It's all about percentage of the "hazardous" stuff. Where I work we build equipment with a great deal of brass & bronze plumbing components inside. "Lead-free" apparently doesn't really mean 100% free of Lead, but Lead content below some threshold level. To me, it seems like saying you were only "a bit drunk" after a couple of beers, but are definitely legally drunk at .08% BAC. "Green" is a marketing term, not a scientific term.

And marketing folks are the best bullshit artists.

I'm still trying to figure out why lead, coal and oil aren't green. All are produced naturally by the Earth. Oil is believed to come from the remains of algae or plant material as is coal. Lead is present as a metal or oxide in naturally occurring ore. Burning oil and coal releases CO2 which plants love and they then produce O2 from it that we breathe. Copper is apparently OK for now, but it is poisonous in excess. If I mine metallic copper from the Great Lakes and make bullets are they Green?

Any copper bullet will turn green if you let it sit outside long enough. Let nature make your bullets green.

Come to think of it, doesn't the government use green bullets that look really cool at night?

To the OP, pick a weight (I like a 165 in .308) and buy a box along with the corresponding brands manual. Work up a load for them as normal, and go hunting. They work as advertised, and have a long track record of killing game. Barnes have been around the longest. CEB and GS Custom are also choices, but a bit more expensive.

All-copper bullets are not new, and they are not green to the animals that get shot with them.

Jeremy

It's just California, they got some real nut cases in their local and state governments calling the shots..I mean look who they sent to Washington, they sure fit in up there. I have other states to hunt in thank goodness.

Maybe the monolithic bullet makers donated to thier party?

I expect New York State will require non-lead bullets someday very soon. They've already primed the pump by running articles about the positive attributes of "green" bullets in the hunting regulation booklet you get when you buy a license. Kinda suggesting hunters should voluntarily switch on their own.

Sir

By GREEN bullets do you mean non lethal ones ?

I lived in California, land of the fruits and nuts. I know one thing your vote does not count in this state. Most of the people calling the shots on gun's and hunting, they do not hunt nor do they owned guns, or will not say if they own a gun.
The Senator

Turning,
This topic seems to always steer to being a political forum annex.
You'll find some good insight in the thread on this forum about the Rifle Shooter magazine article.
Lots of us have been having great results with the all copper bullets for many years. I too hate the we're "forced" to use them, but they work quite well and the newer designs are extremely accurate.
Best of luck,
Kyler