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Next classic from Remington
08 October 2003, 02:37
Bob257Next classic from Remington
What's your opinion on Remington's decision to issue the 8x57 as next year's classic caliber? Sounds interesting to me. I just wish there were more bullets available for reloading the 8.
Bob257
08 October 2003, 02:57
Mark R DobrenskiBob257--so that's what it is gonna be eh? I was hoping 338/06, oh well perhaps another year! I can always hope...
"GET TO THE HILL"
Dogz
Personally I kind of feel the 8 by would meet most of peoples abilities and needs just fine. If the truth be known.
08 October 2003, 03:55
Deputy AlMy response will be TO GET ONE. :-)
Folks on this board know it very well, but the factories in the USA ignore this caliber and its stellar attributes as a game harvester. The underloaded ammunition in this caliber (in USA) do it no favors, either. I'm a little surprised that Ruger hasn't chambered this caliber in their 77 series rifles. They do some other enthusiast calibers (257 Roberts, 250 Savage, 220 Swift, 6.5 x 55), so why not the 8 x 57?
This rifle--with Burris or Leupold 3x-9x--hell of a game rifle.
08 October 2003, 04:00
jpbI'd have to agree with Deputy Al...
The North American ammo is really quite underloaded (for fear somebody will chamber .323 dia bullets in a .318 bored rifle).
If you don't handload, try to get some Norma ammo! The difference is noticeable.
(If you have a choice of Norma ammo, get the stuff with the bonded bullets -- even better).
jpb
08 October 2003, 04:44
BFaucettI'm not particularly fond of Remington rifles but I may just get one of the Model 700 Classics in 8x57. I like the historic, nostalgic cartridges and the 8x57 is certainly one of them! Yeah, it won't do anything I can't do with my .30-06 (or a .308 Win) but so what? To me, it's just fun to have something a little different. I'd handload for it so the underloaded factory ammo (in the U.S. at least) doesn't concern me. Hornady has a new 8mm, 195 grain Spire Point bullet that should be just the thing for an 8x57.
-Bob F.
08 October 2003, 04:54
B17GBetween having all the foreign Mausers that have been imported into the USA in 8mm, and the quality( or lack thereof) from Remington, I say
Big Deal. Remington's have not impressed me much at all.
Al is right about the cartridge being under rated tho. I would love to see Ruger put it out.
Although it is my understanding you can get a very nice production 8mm in a CZ.
I was fortunate enough to buy a sporterized Mauser in 8mm, for $125.00 I had purchased just for the action. However, after getting it home, I noticed that the previous owner ( I assume he had passed away, and his wife took his guns and sold them) have invested in a dynamite trigger job, had put on a Fajen Stock that cleaned up beautifully and had mounted a Lyman Peep Site on it.
Took it to the range, and No Way is this gun getting cannabalized for a varmint rig. Since I can't see worth a dam, I am having the receiver tapped for a scope mount, and I have a 1960s vintage Leupold 4x with a dot reticle that will fit this gun perfectly.
To me I lucked into a timeless classic, and I hope that the old owner knows his firearm, has found a good home. It is just a firearm I will pass on to my son. It was made by CZ back in the 1930s. This rifle is solid, and has the persona of a history to it. Remington can't produce that, Remington " Classic" or not/.
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[ 10-07-2003, 19:55: Message edited by: seafire/ B17G ]08 October 2003, 05:03
Heritage ArmsI like the calibre can't really stand Reimington. I'll buy one shoot it for while and see what it does. I have lots of good Norma ammo for it.
Aleko
08 October 2003, 05:39
KurtCI just hope Remington markets is as an 8x57mm. I would hate to see the Mauser name on a Remington product.
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08 October 2003, 05:55
carcano91quote:
Originally posted by Bob257:
What's your opinion on Remington's decision to issue the 8x57 as next year's classic caliber?
In my opinion, the only Remington rifles WORTHY of the venerable and august 8x57 IS cartridge would be the Model 30 S, and especially the Mod. 720.
Carcano
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08 October 2003, 06:10
Deputy AlCZ has the 550 in 8 x 57 JS? Haven't seen that on their web site--might have to call Kansas City and see about that. I would prefer the CZ-550 to the Remington--call me old-fashioned, but that controlled feed/claw extractor Mauser system appeals to me in no small way. I REALLY like my CZ-550 in 9.3 x 62 (Lux).
My current 8 x 57 is a G98/40 that is box stock and will stay that way.
08 October 2003, 06:15
25CalNutI think it is about time! Maybe this will get Ruger, Winchester, Savage or Browning to put one of their rifles out as competition to the Remington. I have a Yugo M48 in 8x57mm that I just love to shoot. I don't want to sporterize that rifle, so having a Remington would be nice. I would much rather get a Ruger or Winchester M70, but will take what is out there. I think this may help bring the ammo companies around as well. I use the Norma ammo and absolutely love it. Hornady was thinking about loading the 8x57mm but the numbers just didn't add up. Mitchells Mauser came up with their own load at low prices, so that killed the Horandy deal. This could spur Rem, Win, and Federal to get rid of their anemic loads, and actually make a useful load.
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Bob257What are some of the better bullets to load it with? I may have to have one. I like the "odd" calibers. I have a classic in 7x57, 250 Savage. I also have a 257 Roberts in ADL and a 284 Winchester I had built on a Weatherby UltraLight, and a 300 Savage built on a Howa action. I like things a little different. If I can find some good bullets for the 8x57 that would be good!
Bob257
08 October 2003, 07:35
snowmanDoes this mean that Remington may actually acknowledge that there are " classic" calibres from Europe??? 9.3x64 ,7x64 ,9.3x62 ,8x68 ,308 Norma ,358 Norma ,8x60 ,6.5x65 ............ na they will never figure that out.
08 October 2003, 08:05
Rich ElliottI'd rather see it come out in 9.3 X 62mm or .338-06. Will they do away with the J lock on the 2004's?
Rich Elliott
08 October 2003, 09:13
Alberta CanuckA bit of checking may reveal that Remington has already made rifles in 6.5x55 for sale in Europe.
As to the 8x57, I REALLY like that cartridge. Have had numerous rifles also in 8mm/'06 and 8mm/'06-AI, which are also good performers.
My current favorite 8 is a Steyr Professional in 8x57, one of less than a dozen of that model (supposedly) in North America. Personally my favorite bullets are 200 gr. Noslers and the classic 232 grain spitzer. You can boot the 154 gr. spitzers along at close to 3,000 f.p.s., but I like heavier bullets for better penetration on "Texas Heart Shots".
I'm glad to see ANYBODY bring the 8x57 back to life on these shores. (Heck, I even wish NEF would bring it out in their little single-shot series.)
AC
08 October 2003, 09:25
<9.3x62>I'll buy one if they DO NOT have that damn j-lock. I had a 8x57 built on a 700 action some years back - what a shooter...
Maybe Remington will introduce a new factory load for it - perhaps along the "+P" lines.
08 October 2003, 12:17
WyoJoequote:
Originally posted by Bob257:
What's your opinion on Remington's decision to issue the 8x57 as next year's classic caliber? Sounds interesting to me. I just wish there were more bullets available for reloading the 8.
Bob257
I hope they do. I would also like to see them come out with the Classic in a caliber like 9.3X62 or 64.
08 October 2003, 17:10
Orion 1Where was this announcement made?
09 October 2003, 03:36
Bob257Orion,
It was listed in Rifle Shooter Magazine in the article about the Remington 700. It was written by Layne Simpson. The article starts on page 30 and the mention of the 8x57 as the classic for 2004 is on page 33.
Bob257
09 October 2003, 03:41
BFaucettquote:
Originally posted by Orion 1:
Where was this announcement made?
I saw it mentioned in the latest (Nov/Dec) issue of RifleShooter magazine. It was mentioned towards the end of an article on the history of the Remington Model 700 rifle. When I checked a few days ago, it was NOT mentioned on Remington's web site yet. The description of the Model 700 Classic there is still showing the rifle as available in .300 Savage for 2003.
-Bob F.
09 October 2003, 03:51
Orion 1Thanks. I need to get out more.....
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09 October 2003, 04:24
fredj338They should bring back their "classic" mountain rifle (no DM)in .338-06. That would be a nice, light elk rig that I would buy.
09 October 2003, 04:54
<eldeguello>Great choice! A true classic, and very first of ALL cartridges having the rimless Mauser-diameter type case-head size!
There could be more bullets, yes, but there are plenty. 125, 150, 170, 175, 180, 185, 195, 200, and 220 grain weights, obtainable from U.S. bullet makers! Others from European makers!
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Does this mean that Remington may actually acknowledge that there are " classic" calibres from Europe??? 9.3x64 ,7x64 ,9.3x62 ,8x68 ,308 Norma ,358 Norma ,8x60 ,6.5x65 ............ na they will never figure that out.
I don't think it is so much that Remington is unaware of these classic European rounds, as it is that the "average" American gun buyer has never heard of them, so would not know what they were, nor be inclined to purchase one. And no big corporation can afford to tool up to provide stuff for guys like you and me, who would buy one! You of course realize that the bean-counters are in control of all corporations these days!! ![[Frown]](images/icons/frown.gif)
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10 October 2003, 09:32
Cal SibleyThis rifle could be a real winner. I purchased the Classic in 6.5x55 a few years ago. It has proven to be one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. Now that N. Americans realize its virtues it seems a lot of people want one, but it was only made for the one year by Remington.
An 8x57 in a Remington 700 action seems ideal to me. I'll get mine early to be sure. As a reloader I can bump that baby up a ways. It's not far behind the .30-06 as loaded in Europe.
Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal
09 October 2003, 23:26
monterowill it be a short or a long action?
montero
10 October 2003, 04:49
Bob257montero,
I'm sure it would have to be a long action. The case is 30-06 length.
Bob257
10 October 2003, 05:49
<Husky>Has Remington made anything the past 100 years that could be described as a "Classic"???
/Husky
10 October 2003, 06:45
Stonecreekquote:
Originally posted by Husky:
Has Remington made anything the past 100 years that could be described as a "Classic"???
/Husky
1. Model 11 shotgun (Browning patent)
2. Model 24 .22 Rimfire (again, Browning patent)
3. Model 30S (based on Enfield action)
4. Model 14 (classic American pump repeater)
5. Model 32 o/u shotgun (Krieghoff design)
These, and maybe a few others, would easily qualify as "classics" made by Remington in the last 100 years. The better question would be, "What does Remington make today that could be described as "classic"?
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10 October 2003, 06:50
Stonecreekquote:
Originally posted by montero:
will it be a short or a long action?
montero
Remington chambered two other 57mm cases, the .244 Remington and the .257 Roberts, in their short action. This would be a horrible mistake with the 8 x 57 considering that its longer bullets require a magazine well over the 2.75" or so maximum of their "short" 700, therefore I would assume the use of the long action.
10 October 2003, 08:42
<Husky>Stonecreek,
I got a nice Remington M31 Pump with steel trigger guard (early model? 18" barrel and Ghost ring sight, i'm using it for following up wounded wild boars.
Maybe that is an "Classic" Remington also altough the Win 1897 and 1912 is a bit more Classic...
/Husky
10 October 2003, 09:18
fish280other classics?
760 and 7600 slide-action rifles/carbines come to mind.
real close to getting a nice used 760 in '06. not many here in bama. the thing just feels right.
and i do like the idea of the 8x57 in rem 700 classic. one of my favorite chamberings, too.
10 October 2003, 10:34
MikelravyAllow me to post a word of praise for the much maligned 8x57 factory ammunition. While it doesn't look like much on paper I have never seen anything else perform noticeable better on deer sized game than the Remington Core Loct ammo. It is one of those rare "just right" factory loadings where the bullet is perfectly matched to velocity. It is ok for moose too but there are a lot of better choices available.
10 October 2003, 15:37
WstrnhuntrOriginally posted by Bob257:
What's your opinion on Remington's decision to issue the 8x57 as next year's classic caliber? Bob257 My opinion is that Remington should really make some +P ammo, if you will, to go along with it.
Its been done with other calibers, Id say its high time that the 8X57 gets some legitimate factory loads on this side of the pond.
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What are some of the better bullets to load it with?
The new Hornady 196 grn as mentioned is just the ticket, the 185 grn core-lockt is also an outstanding 8X57 bullet. My Yugo seems to shoot nearly anything I feed it including 200 grn Speers. I really wish someone made about a 185 to 200 grn RN in 8mm, that would be a beautifull woods thumper.
11 October 2003, 02:11
Bob257Stonecreek,
My 7x57 classic is a long action. I thought that the classic in 257 was long also? I know they've made recent runs of 257's in short action. I have one. It is an ADL that I've restocked and finally got a good load for it. It likes the 115 Nosler BT. Shoots under an inch at 100.
Bob257
11 October 2003, 02:52
monteroGracias, Stonecreek.
Bob257:
The 8x57 case is NOT 30.06 length. But I do agree with Stonecreek that the long action would be a much better fit, specially with long-for-the-caliber bullets.
Regards,
Montero
11 October 2003, 04:34
carcano91quote:
Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:
My opinion is that Remington should really make some +P ammo, if you will, to go along with it.
It exists. It's called 8x60 (RWS) and 8x64 (S&B and Brenneke). Remington can't compete with either.
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I really wish someone made about a 185 to 200 grn RN in 8mm, that would be a beautifull woods thumper.
But nearly everybody already *does*. RWS, Geco, Norma, and G*d knows who else.
Carcano
11 October 2003, 04:53
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by snowman:
Does this mean that Remington may actually acknowledge that there are " classic" calibres from Europe??? 9.3x64 ,7x64 ,9.3x62 ,8x68 ,308 Norma ,358 Norma ,8x60 ,6.5x65 ............ na they will never figure that out.
If Remington has anything to do with any of those cartridges, they will make a slight change in the case, and claim it as a Remington developement!
11 October 2003, 05:03
<Husky>As Remington did with the .375 "Ultra Mag" -a Miller & Greiss development (The 9,5x73 Miller & Greiss) well over 70 years old!
Long live Nils Kvale that developed the .308 & .358 Norma Magnums as well as much of the development work with the older Weatherby calibers!
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Innovative chaps at Remington...
/Husky
11 October 2003, 05:24
Stonecreekquote:
Originally posted by Bob257:
Stonecreek,
My 7x57 classic is a long action. I thought that the classic in 257 was long also? I know they've made recent runs of 257's in short action. I have one. It is an ADL that I've restocked and finally got a good load for it. It likes the 115 Nosler BT. Shoots under an inch at 100.
Bob257
Bob: I was actually refering to the old 722 in .244 and .257 which used the short action. I'm sure that you're correct about your long action 7x57 and I'm also sure that Remington would use the long action for the 8x57.