You guys all seem to back up Barnes Bullets. I do not shoot them because they are all copper
bullets witch fill my rifle full of copper. TO each his own. Do you guys take the copper out
of the barrel after a shooting.

Do other brands of bullets "fill my rifle full of copper"?

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Do other brands of bullets "fill my rifle full of copper"?

Some more, some less. The problem does not lie with the fact that a bullet is solid copper. There are several reasons for copper fouling.

I'm using the TSX bullets in my 338 Federal. I have noticed very little copper residue. Cleaning is a snap.

My factory barrel in .308 Win was notorious for copper fouling. I believe it is in the quality control of a finished barrel. Too many tool marks pull copper off of bullets.

My new barrel in .338 is from Lilja, it shines like a mirror and is extremely easy to clean.

EVERYTHING Barnes says about copper fouling has proven to be true.

1)If a clean barrel (NO metal fouling when you start shooting but AFTER barrel break-in) fouls with copper from barnes bullets it was going to foul with Guliding metal jackets too.

2) rough barrels are going to foul regardless IOW: All too often a garbage pail is filled with garbage for a reason...

3)If you shoot Barnes pure copper bullets AFTER you have fired conventional jacketed bullets the rifle will foul FAR more.

4)Copper fouling is MUCH easier to remove from a barrel than guilding metal fouling.

5)that various copper removers work very well.

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I think copper fouling is much worse in your average factory barrel compared to a handlapped or firelapped barrel.

Curiously, after reading and hearing all the hype about HART barrels, I had one put on a 270 rifle. Barrel break in was much longer and more difficult than anticipated.

However, once break-in was complete, my preferred load for this rifle was to solely use Barnes bullets, the TSX, and now probably, the TTSX. So I observed the bore with a borescope prior to testing and it was just about like new.

I have had not one problem cleaning the bore easily with Butches Bore Shine or Barnes CR-10, or the WartHog stuff...all work very well. Copper fouling is simply not an issue.

I haven't had a bit of trouble with copper fouling since I've been shooting cast lead bullets.

It has more to do with your barrel, not the bullet, however it is fairly common knowledge that monolithics do foul a bit more than most standard bullets...

Use Wipe Out or the old home brew called Bluegoop and it comes out pretty easy..big bore rifle foul more than varmint rifles btw in that they have more surface to foul, but it has less effect on big bores...

Remember you don't have to have a bore squeeky clean and if you do then you have to foul it several times before it will shoot well. More bores have been ruined by cleaning than shooting.

I recall that Jack Belk only used bore Snakes with a dollop or whatever he had on hand to clean his rockchuck rifles, and said thats all they needed?? All his guns shot very well indeed.

My advice is don´t take out the copper of your barrel, let it yellow, and do what some competitors do. You´ll find out better gropus in your targets.

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Originally posted by jabali:
My advice is don´t take out the copper of your barrel, let it yellow, and do what some competitors do. You´ll find out better gropus in your targets.

Is that possible!?

I stay away from copper in the barrel that fouls badly and use it in the others. My Douglasbarreled 35 whelen doesnt foul much with copper, and shoots copper (TSX a least) very good out of a clean barrel and I dont think it improves when it fouls up. I'll check it out when the weather warms up.

The only thing my Dakota 7mm Rem will shoot is copper, and the fouling's not bad at all.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
EVERYTHING Barnes says about copper fouling has proven to be true.

1)If a clean barrel (NO metal fouling when you start shooting but AFTER barrel break-in) fouls with copper from barnes bullets it was going to foul with Guliding metal jackets too.

2) rough barrels are going to foul regardless IOW: All too often a garbage pail is filled with garbage for a reason...

3)If you shoot Barnes pure copper bullets AFTER you have fired conventional jacketed bullets the rifle will foul FAR more.

4)Copper fouling is MUCH easier to remove from a barrel than guilding metal fouling.

5)that various copper removers work very well.

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#3 is true in my experience.