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Re: 8x57 to...
12 September 2004, 23:22
carcano91Re: 8x57 to...
You have deleted it, but the URL code is still visible;
better edit the posting, if that be still possible:
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Many thanks for your help, which I warmly appreciate.
I am just sorry it did not work out...
Carcano
12 September 2004, 19:05
BFaucettWell, I deleted my photo but the thread is still too wide. So it must be another line in another post that's causing it.
-Bob F.
10 July 2004, 16:05
<9.3x62>So I have this 8x57 I built on a 700 action some year ago. I've since been through a few other 8x57s, and I think I want to change one. The one I had built is the obvious choice because the caliber is stamped on the underside of the barrel, so I won't have any unsightly caliber overstamp, but I digress...
Anyway. It has a 21" #3 (1-10 twist) douglas barrel with sights, I have it glass bedded to a very ncie piece of english walnut, and it is topped with a 1.5-4.5x Nikon in Leupold QR bases and rings. It weighs 8lbs 1 ounce, all told.
I'm thinks either 8x60, 8x64, 8mm-06, or 8mm-06 improved. Thoughts? TIA.
10 July 2004, 16:28
<9.3x62>An 8lb 8x68 with a 21" barrel is bit more rifle that I am looking for.
I also want to stay with the same bolt face.
The 8x60, 8x64, 8mm-06 and AI can all be loaded to near identical performance. Unfortunately, you will have a hard time finding a smith on this side of the puddle with an 8x60 or 8x64 reamer.
The 8x60S is one of my three favorite cartridges.
10 July 2004, 16:44
<9.3x62>I am leaning hard to the 8x60S because of the relatively lightweight and the shorter barrel. Plus, I can always have it pushed out to 8mm-06 if I want to later. RWS brass, and load data is easy enough to come by in the interent age...
man this is fun...
11 July 2004, 00:41
aHunterFor 8x64S Brenneke, its a classic: Use 8 - 06 data, go back 10 % and work up.
I forgot: In a 700 "classic" doesn�t fit: do a 8 - 06, or buy a Mauser, and get that in a classic stock and in 8 x 64S Brenneke ;-)
I wouldn�t mess with expensive custom work on a 700 hunting rifle, they are only good for paper punching!
Sorry, Hermann
11 July 2004, 03:41
<JOHAN>aHunter
I have a ZG-47 in 8X64S and one in 8X57 S.
The best 8mm is the 8X68S
Cheers
/ JOHAN
11 July 2004, 04:03
trigger3200 Hawk from Z-Hat
Could be called a 8mm-06 Hawk improved. I have a 338 Hawk and I can duplicate the numbers that are posted at this site.
http://www.z-hat.com/Hawk%20Ballistics.htm11 July 2004, 05:12
<9.3x62>Quote:
I wouldn�t mess with expensive custom work on a 700 hunting rifle, they are only good for paper punching!
Whatever...
11 July 2004, 06:06
Major CaliberQuote:
I wouldn�t mess with expensive custom work on a 700 hunting rifle, they are only good for paper punching!
Ditto!!!
11 July 2004, 07:35
<9.3x62>Thanks for your irrelevant input.
11 July 2004, 09:57
bartscheTry an 8mm X .425 WR X 2.5
roger
13 September 2004, 06:22
BFaucettWell, I tried to edit the post to delete the link but I got the "
This post can no longer be edited because the maximum edit time has expired" message. I wish Don would increase the time limits for editing a message. Oh well.
BTW, your link, in message number #769144 is longer than mine. I think that may also be contributing to the text extending beyond the edge of the screen. (I'm running 1024x768 resolution.) But, as I said, I think the edit time has expired on your mesage too. Just a thought.
See above:
<img src="http://www.gunboards.com/forums/uploaded/carcano/200482910237_8x60ammunition-small-2.jpg">
-Bob F.
12 July 2004, 10:18
aHunterYea, Johan, I agree with you, I want one, too! An 8x68S on a Mauser ( for some Ignorants: a Mauser 98!! ). I was just answering the question in the thread, so 8 - 06 or 8 mm Brenneke. This was until I discovered about a Rem 700 action!! Hell, he could also want a classic huntin� rifle and talk about a Blaser!!
:-))
Awaiting the Flak, ducking ...
Have fun, Hermann
12 July 2004, 10:59
<9.3x62>Quote:
I was just answering the question in the thread
Ah no, you weren't. I asked for an opinion on the rechambering a rifle from 8x57 to one of the choices I listed, I did not ask for a critique of the action, but thanks anyway for the insult. 
FWIW, my other 8x57s ARE mausers.
12 July 2004, 11:25
snowmanahunter Damm I wish somebody would have told me and about 5 moose that a model 700 is only good for for punching paper. I have a Rem 700 in 8mm Rem mag that has given 5 moose a real "bad hair day".
12 July 2004, 17:48
Bwana-beMy father has a 700 Classic in 6.5 Swede. Although I'm a CRF fan myself, this baby shoots. And if it shoots paper, it'll shoot an animal.
So, you have a 21" bbl in 8mm.... IIRC, those actions are '06 length already. The 8mm-06 Imp would certainly be a fine choice, though nice to have a bit longer tube. I might think on something to push a big round nose, where you're not really trying to squeeze every ounce of velocity.
Then there's a few wildcats waiting, like the 8mm-300 RUM x 2.5", or the 8mm Ross Imp. Depends on how much money you want to throw out.
Of course, you could always buy a take-off bbl from eBay in whatever caliber you like....
13 July 2004, 04:32
<eldeguello>I don't think you're going to realize much advantage with a 21" barrel in 8mm/'06 Improved. I think the 8X60S would be best in the short tube, IF you can find a reamer!
PS: IF you locate a reamer for the 8X60S, please let me know! I've been looking for one here and in Germany off and on since 1984! (Without success.)
13 July 2004, 04:55
<9.3x62>Quote:
IF you locate a reamer for the 8X60S, please let me know! I've been looking for one here and in Germany off and on since 1984! (Without success.)
Will do. 
13 July 2004, 05:48
bpesteveReamers are cheap, I really like the 8x60S. My second choice would be the 8x64 Brenneke.
14 July 2004, 02:19
<eldeguello>Thank you, sir!!
14 July 2004, 15:32
Cal SibleyI have a Remington Classic in 8x57, but haven't had time to work up loads for it yet. If it's even half the rifle the Remington Classic in 6.5x55 is I have a winner. It shoots pretty well as is for a factory rifle. As many complaints as I hear about Remington rifles lately, none of the complaints have concerned the Clasic model. I grew familiar with the 8x57 while living in Germany, and think it's one of the all time great calibers. I'd think twice about altering it. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal
Gosh, if you already have the loading dies your current rifle sounds just about perfect. If your 700 had a longer tube - say 24 inches - maybe the 8mm06 or 8mm06 Imp would be fun to play with, but I'd leave well enough alone. Good hunting!
14 July 2004, 17:21
cooter9.3x62
I sent you a PM.
Cooter
15 July 2004, 22:03
Jungli BainsI wouldn't change from 8x57S, but since you already have one then I'd go to the 8x60S. I believe in the 1930's RWS or DWM had a load for the 8x60S called the "Magnum Bombe"that had ptetty high velocities and pressures.
16 July 2004, 17:48
WstrnhuntrIve decided that mine is going to become a 35 Whelen. Ive got too many rifles too much alike, time for something a with little more displacement. Anyone interested in a good buy on some 8mm bullets e-mail me.
bycher@juno.com17 July 2004, 07:20
<eldeguello>The 8X60S Magnum Bombe loading is easily the ballistic equivalent of the .300 H&H .....
19 July 2004, 04:44
Jungli BainsI looked up the Magnum Bombe ballistics and was impressed:187 grain bullet at 2810 fps for 3275 ft-#'s of muzzle energy.
19 July 2004, 13:50
AtkinsonI would just opt for the wonderful 8mm/06, easy loading, lots of available brass,and its really got an edge on the 35 Whelen and thats certainly not light praise...I used one some years back, and it really was an impressive killer of all size game...I had the improved version and I probably got another 50 to 100 FPS more, probably not worth the trouble...
Ray,
I always figured that if I ever stumbled upon a really nice Mauser or Brno that someone opened up to 8mm-06, I would have some -06 basic brass custom drawn with an 8x63mm headstamp and have the barrel remarked as such. It would be the only one on the block.
One nice feature of 8mm-06 is that the OAL is shorter than its parent .30-06, so standard mauser magazines do not have to be opened up.
20 July 2004, 03:16
<JOHAN>KurtC
Why make a wildcat when there are good factory rounds
Take 270 brass and neck it up to 8mm then you would have plenty of 8X64S cases
Don't tell me that 270 win brass is hard to find in USA
Cheers
/ JOHAN
20 July 2004, 04:05
dan belisleSometimes Johan, the answer is just "because I can". - Dan
Johan,
I would never "make" a wildcat. I believe in using properly stamped brass. However, sometimes you come across some nice rifles that someone has already rechambered.
You can not rechamber an 8mm-06 to 8x64, as the 8x64 is a more slender cartridge. The 8x64 also has an OAL that is longer than a standard mauser magazine, and I am against altering nice original rifles.
20 July 2004, 05:46
<9.3x62>Kurt:
I believe Quality cartridge will soon be peddling brass with an 8mm-06 headstamp. Midwayusa lists it as a "coming soon" product. In case you're interested...
I, too, have a strong preference for the correct headstamp if at all possible.
20 July 2004, 05:57
<JOHAN>Kurt C
The 8X64S is 82-83.5 mm in OAL. That can't be too long unless you use a kurtz mauser
I have sent you an article about the caliber
Cheers
/ JOHAN
20 July 2004, 17:54
HondoJohn65089.3x62,
Not a caliber you posted but would you consider a 8x57 Ackley Improved? If so, I can provide you with some info.
Ol' John