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Which 22 hornet?
07 September 2003, 03:53
pdkillrWhich 22 hornet?
Am wanting a 22 hornet and dont know which to buy?
HAve had the ruger (it sucked) 2 NEF's well lets just say I passed them on to someone that was happy with 2-3 in or sometimes 5 depending on how u held your mouth!! Am looking at the CZ, Browning ect..... nOt looking for benchrest accuracy just 1 in or so. I do handload so hopefully can tweak. Thanks
07 September 2003, 03:57
HobieI like my Contender...
07 September 2003, 04:07
budicealeget a cz and enjoy
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...bud
07 September 2003, 07:46
M16I have two Brownings, a micro medallion and a low wall. Both of them will group moa.
07 September 2003, 11:09
Lawdog_Garypdkillr,
quote:
HAve had the ruger (it sucked)
I would like to know what was wrong with the Ruger you had. I have two of them(M77/22 VHZ and a No. 1b) and both shoot under MOA all day. True neither wear the factory trigger but that's an easy fix. I have yet to meet someone with a Ruger in .22 Hornet that couldn't be made to shoot an inch or less with good reloads. Could you explain what your problem was? Lawdog
07 September 2003, 13:00
PCpd,
I have the cz American and I loive it. Once I found the right load it shoots under an inch and has that awsome set trigger.
I shoot 11 gr of w296 behind the 45 gr sierra .224 hornet bullets with rem cases and rem 7 1/2 primers OAL 1.71"
Mine hate alll other primers other than rems.
I have a leupold 3-9x50 Vari X11 mounted on it and it is awsome for wacking roo's in the head out to 120-150 yards on a still night.
It is also a front locker so case stretch is not as much of an issue (better case life).
Get the cz and never look back.
07 September 2003, 15:43
Gonzo FreakPowerMy father-in-law has an ancient CZ in 22Hornet with a double trigger. It still shoots very well. My mother in law uses it now. Seems like CZs are great values.
07 September 2003, 17:55
craigsterLawdog,
Consider youself met by a person who's 77/22 Hornet sucked. Couldn't get under 1 1/2" no matter what. Did everything and anything to get it to shoot, no dice. It was one of the first (early production) rifles up here on the North Coast, maybe that was part of the problem. Most inaccurate 22 centerfire I have ever owned.
07 September 2003, 20:39
carcano91The .22 Hornet is the Number 1 competition chambering in German "hunting competition" rifles. .222 Remington, .243 Win and the benchrest 6mms come after that, but with a loooong distance.
However, we have top ammunition (RWS and MEN match loads, with inherent accuracy unheard of in the USA), and the rifles to match (Ansch�tz, Weihrauch, Keppeler single shot match rifles).
Any 5-shot-group larger than 1/4 inch (100 metres, scoped, benchrested) is considered bad in a normal .22 Hornet competition rifle. That's about where the accuracy standard lies today.
Carcano
08 September 2003, 00:33
Fritz Kraut08 September 2003, 00:35
Fritz KrautCZ, or Ceska Zjerebrowska (?), still make fine Hornets, but I think if you get som from the time just after WWII, you�ll have a Brno Hornet at it best.
I have this little beauty in my rack:
She shoots fairly well, better than her owner. She is born 1948 in Brno, and her name is ZKW 465.
Best regards,
Fritz
08 September 2003, 02:19
DEPUTY450I have a Browning 1885 Low wall Hornet and I love that little rifle. I had a 77/22 Hornet that shot 1/2 inch at 50 with hand loads and I was happy with that. I put a Dayton Traister adjustable trigger in it and also a Volquartson sear. I could adjust that down to 1/2 pound if I needed.
A friend of mine has the Varmit/target 77/22 and he can't get below an inch. He has invested a lot of time on reloads and gunsmithing and nothings happening to improove things so far.
I guess it is the luck of the draw on those rifles.
My 2 cents,
Jay
08 September 2003, 03:13
jstevensI know there are some good shooters, but in my experience the .22 Hornet is just a tough cartridge to get to shoot really well. It sounds like some others have noticed this also, so maybe it's not just my imagination.
10 September 2003, 06:51
carcano91Here is a typical and widely used German .22 Hornet competition rifle (Weihrauch HW 66):
Regards,
Carcano
10 September 2003, 07:28
<Savage 99>Very interesting Carcano.
The Hornet has really been an ignored cartrige by those who make rifles. One would think that almost anything can be made to work and it seems from what you say it has.
How do they do it? More details please.
10 September 2003, 07:37
carcano91The rifle part of the mixed DJV competition consists of four sub-disciplines, 5 shots each (the other half is shotgun, trap and skeet).
- 100 metres prone ("sitting fox")
- 100 metres standing, rifle rested sideways against a post, sort of fixed shooting stick ("roe deer")
- 100 metres standing free ("standing boar")
- 50 metres moving target ("running boar" as hunting target, not ISSF target)
Miniature targets for training on 50 metres smallbore ranges also exist.
I'll check whether I can find pics of the Ansch�tz and Keppeler competition rifles.
Regards,
Carcano
[ 09-09-2003, 22:38: Message edited by: carcano91 ]10 September 2003, 11:34
30 Caliber Mag FanI cast my vote for the CZ 527 American.
I hand load also and the Hornet can be tricky. Mine was shooting 1 MOA with handloads as is from the factory.
Had it bedded and shot a sub .4 MOA group with it Saturday.
Good luck!
10 September 2003, 12:08
Gonzo FreakPowerFritz,
That appears to be the exact same rifle my father-in-law has. It's still very accurate, though somewhat temperamental. I think things have gotten loose over the years. Sometime the magazine doesn't fit quite as snugly as it should, which causes feeding problems.
Nice to see a picture. Thanks.
10 September 2003, 14:44
ConCarcano,
Please tell more about the 22 Hornet match loads, I'd be interested to know what projectile weight is loaded and velocity etc... How is it that the factory can produce an accurate 22 Hornet load but reloaders continue to struggle with this round and class it as tempermental, sensitive etc...
Cheers...
Con
[ 09-10-2003, 05:47: Message edited by: Con ]10 September 2003, 15:40
Cal SibleyI'm also a fan of the CZ527 in .22Hornet and have been since it was marketed by Brno. These are quite the accurate rifles for the caliber. In fact, I pretty much like the entire CZ line. You won't find them with 8 lb. triggers like my last Remington VLS, thank heavens. Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal