Not sure if this belongs here, but I'll give it a shot.
I've been looking at two rifles. One a Sako 85 in 308 and the Remington Ti in 308. My question, is the quality controll better with the Sako? What I really want to know is one better than the other? I know thats a loaded question but I need some feed back before droping all that money.

Sako, hands down. The Ti is nice, but you're paying for extras like the fluted bolt, and mcmillan stock....you're still getting the same 400$ action and trigger. I like 700s to strip down and custom build, so I see no use in buying a higher model when its still probably going to need some action/trigger/bedding work to get it into the sako's shooting level.

Get the sako!

SAKO. 3 lugs, fast locktime, incredibly smooth, outstanding quality.

I like rem action and don't have any beef with them. but the SAKO is superior MHO. How many SAKO's have a remington extractor?

I have three friends with the Remington Ti. Two didn't shoot well at all and the third was just OK. It is a very rare Sako that doesn't shoot well. Two of the guys with Rems wound up sending them to Hill Country Rifles at a cost of about $350 to make them shoot better. I have heard positive things about the Browning Ti gun. You might include that in your consideration.

The Remington's stock is the only element on par or superior to the Sako. In every other aspect the Sako is a far better rifle...............................DJ

When the Sakos were exploding, their Management attempted to hide it rather than address the issue. They were finally forced to handle all the problems due to pressure from the Internet Boards.

If that is the kind of people you want "Standing Behind" your product - expect it to be waaaaaay behind!

I'd not have a Sako-junk on a bet!

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Originally posted by Rub Line:
How many SAKO's have a remington extractor?

LOL! I love that, never even thought about it. So true, so true

Sako by a long way.

Sako!!

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
When the Sakos were exploding, their Management attempted to hide it rather than address the issue. Complete BS. They contacted all the owners of the rifles in the effected serial range that they were able to and replaced thier rifles. They also had an 800 number anyone could call to check out the rifles they owned. They were finally forced to handle all the problems due to pressure from the Internet Boards. Or maybe they just handled it quickly and professionally without listening to ignorant internet blowhards. They had a problem, they fixed it, nobody's perfect.

If that is the kind of people you want "Standing Behind" your product - expect it to be waaaaaay behind!

I'd not have a Sako-junk on a bet!

Sako did have an issue, they fixed it and made good. Nobody's perfect but how you handle your mistakes shows a lot about you. On the internet you can always find some blowhard to complain about anything - usually it's something they have absolutely no experience with.

There are lots of good rifles out there, if you don't like Sako's fine, that leaves more for the rest of us who can tell a fine rifle when we use one.........................DJ

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Originally posted by djpaintles:

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
When the Sakos were exploding, their Management attempted to hide it rather than address the issue. Complete BS. They contacted all the owners of the rifles in the effected serial range that they were able to and replaced thier rifles. They also had an 800 number anyone could call to check out the rifles they owned. They were finally forced to handle all the problems due to pressure from the Internet Boards. Or maybe they just handled it quickly and professionally without listening to ignorant internet blowhards. They had a problem, they fixed it, nobody's perfect.

If that is the kind of people you want "Standing Behind" your product - expect it to be waaaaaay behind!

I'd not have a Sako-junk on a bet!

Sako did have an issue, they fixed it and made good. Nobody's perfect but how you handle your mistakes shows a lot about you. On the internet you can always find some blowhard to complain about anything - usually it's something they have absolutely no experience with.

There are lots of good rifles out there, if you don't like Sako's fine, that leaves more for the rest of us who can tell a fine rifle when we use one.........................DJ

There was an issue with a run of barrels in the fin-light series, the barrel blanks they received from a 3rd party weren't up to par. A very small number of rifles were affected. It was not hidden by anyone and Sako made a bona-fide effort to recall and replace affected models. Like many manufactures, there was a defect, but to call them Junk? As for the internet, it has replaced the corner bar for a place for old codgers to sit and complain about the world.

I have owned many different rifles, so far, my favorites are my Sakos.

John

sako!

I went by the GunSmith Board and pulled these threads about the Exploding Sakos and you all can see for yourself if their Management responded in what you would consider a timely fashon. I'd not have a pile ofSako-junk on a bet.

Sako Blowups First thread.

Sako Blowups second thread.

Sako Blowups third thread.

dj is correct that I have no "experience" with a Sako Exploding in my hands. Don't intend for it to ever happen. But, I would see where dj would be a person I would expect to have vast amounts of first-hand experience when it comes to Exploding Firearms.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
I went by the GunSmith Board and pulled these threads about the Exploding Sakos and you all can see for yourself if their Management responded in what you would consider a timely fashon. I'd not have a pile ofSako-junk on a bet.

Sako Blowups First thread.

Sako Blowups second thread.

Sako Blowups third thread.

dj is correct that I have no "experience" with a Sako Exploding in my hands. Don't intend for it to ever happen. But, I would see where dj would be a person I would expect to have vast amounts of first-hand experience when it comes to Exploding Firearms.

Seems you must haven't seen the fine post from Rub Line.

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Originally posted by Rub Line:
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Remington and other manufacturers as well have had thier share of blow-ups. Point is Sako found their problem and fixed it quickly and efficiently. I've shot thousands of rounds through my Sako rifles and will continue to do so without a worry. I even occasionally shoot Remington rifles and Glock pistols without much of a second thought about safety. Like most if not all readers and posters here I'm able to tell the difference between real issues and internet hype.

I haven't blown up or damaged a firearm yet and hope that prudent reloading habits will keep up my clean record for my first couple hundred thousand rounds going for the next several..............................DJ

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
I went by the GunSmith Board and pulled these threads about the Exploding Sakos and you all can see for yourself if their Management responded in what you would consider a timely fashon. I'd not have a pile ofSako-junk on a bet.

Sako Blowups First thread.

Sako Blowups second thread.

Sako Blowups third thread.

dj is correct that I have no "experience" with a Sako Exploding in my hands. Don't intend for it to ever happen. But, I would see where dj would be a person I would expect to have vast amounts of first-hand experience when it comes to Exploding Firearms.

Your reasoning is like saying you'd never buy a Ford, because the Pinto's used to explode.

Mr. Paintles makes sense to me and I agree with his comments here.

I consider the Sako 85 to be far superior to any other current production sporting rifle and would choose one over about anything on the market.

The Sako Finnwolf I bought in 1977 has served me, my brother and now his son with flawless functioning and nary a speck of rust since then. It shoots 180 NPs into a moa and my nephew simply loves it; I expect he will hunt with it for 40+ years to come and with no malfunctions.

I too would opt for the sako.A fin light in .308 would be a great choice.
But i would not trade my Kimber 84 select grade french walnut .308 for either.
I am glad to see knowbody is aruing with your choice of cartridge !
...tj

I like Kimber 308's too:




But my Sako's get hunted with a lot more.......... :-) ..............DJ

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Originally posted by hglass:
Not sure if this belongs here, but I'll give it a shot.
I've been looking at two rifles. One a Sako 85 in 308 and the Remington Ti in 308. My question, is the quality controll better with the Sako? What I really want to know is one better than the other? I know thats a loaded question but I need some feed back before droping all that money.

There are dramatic differences between the Rem. design and the Sako. Go back and take a look at the Rem. If the tiny spring type extractor, brazed on bolt handle, brazed on locking lug section and lack of a safety that controls the firing pin pleases you then buy one.

For hunting I prefer the designs of the Kimber and Winchester rifles. The models I use have control round feeding which makes them nice machinery. That pleases me.

These rifles also have a three position safety that controls the firing pin and allows a hot chamber to be emptied.

For a lightweight look at the Kimber 84M.

DJ, nice rifles there!

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Originally posted by Savage_99:


There are dramatic differences between the Rem. design and the Sako. Go back and take a look at the Rem. If the tiny spring type extractor, brazed on bolt handle, brazed on locking lug section and lack of a safety that controls the firing pin pleases you then buy one.

For hunting I prefer the designs of the Kimber and Winchester rifles. The models I use have control round feeding which makes them nice machinery. That pleases me.

These rifles also have a three position safety that controls the firing pin and allows a hot chamber to be emptied.

For a lightweight look at the Kimber 84M.

DJ, nice rifles there!

As an fyi, the Sako has a safety and a bolt release button which allows you to dump a round from the chamber with the safety engaged. It is probably the best setup I have seen on a factory hunting rifle. Although I do appreciate the firing pin lock on the win design, the location of the wing is a pain.

Sakos use a one piece bolt, which may or may not be an issue. The bolt rides smoother in the action than most rifles. The Sako is high end rifle, the Remington is an average rifle.

John

Sako.


The Remington Ti. is a $2200.00 rifle!!

You could buy a brand new SPS or a Weatherby Vanguard and build a much better rifle for less than that including a fully trued action and a custom match grade barrel, flawless trigger, and premium stock. You would have money left over.

I would rather pay a gunsmith and a barrel maker my money than hand it to Remington.

No doubt as it comes the 85 is better but IMHO the 700 can be made to surpass it. The 700 has one major advantage that to me outweighs ( pun) more or less any other - that is it can be fitted with a Jewell trigger.

I've 2 M700 stainless' and am in the process of getting a ti. Time will tell if the slimmer barrel will shoot as well as the others.

I have two Remington 700Ti - a 300SAUM and a 260Rem

Both shoot better than MOA with factory ammo and better than 1/2 MOA with handloads.

Both have been used without failure in sub zero temperatures and the 300 SAUM took 2 Impala, a Blue Wildebeest, a Kudu and a Warthog in the heat of Africa.

Stay well,
Paul

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Originally posted by 1894mk2:
No doubt as it comes the 85 is better but IMHO the 700 can be made to surpass it. The 700 has one major advantage that to me outweighs ( pun) more or less any other - that is it can be fitted with a Jewell trigger.

I have a couple Jewell triggers on Target rifles and they are excellent for that purpose. I'm not so sure they are as good for a trouble-free ultra-reliable trigger on a hunting rifle. I think that's why a lot of the higher end custom guys use the Shilen on thier rifles instead of the Jewel. With Sako's you just use what came on them and it's superb..............DJ

I have owned only one Remington 700 and had serious accuracy problems with it so no more for me.
Amongst my Sakos is a model 75 deluxe with the set trigger option . Trigger is great when unset and even better if you have the time and inclination to move it to the set position . Not Jewell standard but then I wouldn't necessarily want a Jewell on other than a varmint or bench rifle .
The safety setup on the 75 and 85 Sakos is superior to the Winchester 3 position IMO , particularly if you like to hunt with the bolt handle up and safety in the on position.