Hi guys,

I know there is a post below, similar rifle sps 700, looking at shooting 130 gr Nosler BTs out of it, anyone have experience with these rifles using these bullets?

Is the OAL in the mag a problem? or can you load to LANS with room to move?

BTW This isnt my rifle, just helping a guy out

Im limited to ADI powders so loads arent really nessesary but FPS would be helpful to limit time to bogus loads, Just trying to see if there is a common ground for FPS where these rifles seem to peform best at.

Also it seems that $ well spent will be in a new stock! is this a correct assumption to make or are the Standard SPS stock OK

The extreme option is to buy a new tikka T3 308
but that is yet to be decided,pending the out come of this experiment.

Thanks in advance
Runas

Most factory chambers leave very little freebore, so it is likely that you can load long enough to engage the lands with nearly any bullet (although it depends in part on the shape of the bullet's ogive).

The ADI equivalent of H4831 is hard to beat in a .270. Although many people quote 60 grains of H4831 with a 130 grain bullet as "standard", I have found this to be too hot in many .270s. My own Sako .270 generates 3200 fps with only 58.5 grains.

Guns in the factory SPS stock are usually accurate enough. You can easily improve appearance with a new stock, but are not likely to improve performance.

In a 270 I load for, which has a 25.5" PacNor bbl, 57.0 grains H4831SC/Fed210 Gold Medal Match primer/WW brass, and the 130 BT average 3145 fps. Very accurate/consistent

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Most factory chambers leave very little freebore, so it is likely that you can load long enough to engage the lands with nearly any bullet....

Stonecreek, I find this to be quite the opposite. In fact, I know that at least one mfg. bores specifically such that a round won't function in the magazine and have a bullet be able to reach the lands. That is damn sure the case with every Weatherby I've ever fooled with. I actually have only had one factory rig that I could get to the lands and have the cartridge OAL be such that it would function and feed cleanly through the mag.

I will also state the I strongly believe--just MO-- that getting to the lands is highly over rated, and I have achieved superb accuracy without being to the lands on every rig I have ever loaded for. I have helped several guys with stock Remingtons of many different models, and have NEVER had one where you could get to the lands and have the COL function in the magazine. Despite this, all have shot extremely well.

The SPS stock will get the job done.....

The ballistic tips might not leave two holes but they typically shoot well and kill animals under 400 pounds nicely.

I've owned three .270 Winchesters and like the round. It's a lot of power and reasonable recoil.

For animals from 100-300 pounds the 130 Hornady interlock is an excellent choice and for animals up to 1,000 pounds the Swift A-Frame 150 is an excellent bullet.

The bonded core bullets have put the .270 squarely in the truly big game arena where is has the power to use the better bullets.

Forget about loading to the lands.....just load it and shoot it....it'll surprise you.

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Originally posted by vapodog:


The bonded core bullets have put the .270 squarely in the truly big game arena where is has the power to use the better bullets.


Forget about loading to the lands.....just load it and shoot it....it'll surprise you.

Amen and Amen!

Fish,

I agree that loading to actually reach the lands does not usually make for the best accuracy. However, a chamber that has so little leade as to limit your LOA to much less than is available in your magazine also limits the versatility of your cartridge.

Factory freebore: Yes, the Weatherby proprietary cartridges are chambered with significant freebore; the leade is about 1/2 inch from the bullet when the cartridge is loaded to maximum magazine length. This is a specification of the Weatherby chamber.

However, I know of many shooters who have had to have their leade extended in order to make use of the magazine space in a (non-Weatherby) factory gun. In my experience, which is obviously at variance with yours, it is much more common to run out of chamber space before running out of magazine space in factory guns.

I had a bad experience with a .270 Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle in South Africa and Namibia this past May. The ammunition was handloads, 130 grain Nosler Partition, chronographed at 3100 fps. Shooting at ranges between 225 and 350 yards at Springbok and Black Wildebeest I had seven failure to expand. One on the Wildebeest and three each on two Springbok. Second shot on the Wildebeest at 125 yards worked fine, as advertised. The two Springbok succumbed to the effects of .270 FMJ slugs in the vitals. Accuracy was right on with all shots. Subsequent shots with the same ammo, rifle, etc., all taken at 150 yards or less gave classic Nosler performance. I do not know how to explain the performance, but I will be using a .30-06 as "light rifle" when I next return to Africa.
LLS

A guy near me has a Ruger No 1 in 270 right now for sale around $500 and I'm trying to figure out if I want it.

I've always wanted a Ruger No 1 but I've never wanted a 270 and I can't quite figure out what I would use it for.

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Originally posted by Fjold:
A guy near me has a Ruger No 1 in 270 right now for sale around $500 and I'm trying to figure out if I want it.

Look at the bright side: You won't have any issues with compatability of the length of the magazine and the length of the chamber leade.

I have shot a number of elk with the .270, a case full of IMR-4831 or old surplus 4831 is even better if you can find any....I used both the 130 and 160 gr. Noslers for the most part, some 130 gr. Corelokts, and some WW powerpoints and they all killed elk very well indeed..

I think I preferred the 160 gr Nosler on elk and about any 130 gr. on Mule deer. One bullet I really liked was the old WW open point expanding bullet on deer...but it was too soft for elk. I didn't like the Rem. Bronze points on deer or elk..

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

Look at the bright side: You won't have any issues with compatability of the length of the magazine and the length of the chamber leade.

I like it!

In defernece to the original post though, I will say that is one of the reasons I like AR, good intel from a lot of sources.

Stonecreek, you are right, our experiences vary quite a lot, to Runas's original post, IME you can't get to the lands with the bullet he proposes in Remingtons, and have a COAL that will function in the magazine. It sounds like you have experience where it will. It does seem to me that mfgs. would have reason to cut their chambers where it is difficult to get to the lands, and have a cartridge overall lenght that will function, it would limit chances that folks got to overpressure situations by having bullets jammed into the lands inappropriately...Having said that, I do understand that the mfgs. base their rigs around SAAMI specs, and chambering reamers are cut with that as a basis as well.......

Sounds to me that if this is important to your Runas (being able to load to the lands) that you need to check the specific chamber of that rifle....may be a whole 'nother thread on how, but I use the ole case and bullet method detailed in the Nosler loading manuals--just me.

I think that it's a bad idea to load a hunting rifle with bullets into the lands. Variations in Ogive can lead to stuck bullets and actions full of loose gunpowder - usually at the worst possible times.
The 270 Winchester is perfectly capable of excellent hunting accuracty with the bullets appropriately off the lands, fitting into the magazine box, and not too long to eject a loaded round.
Target rifles are the only rifles I'd ever seat bullets into the lands of. I'd never do it on a hunting rifle...............................DJ

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Originally posted by djpaintles:
I think that it's a bad idea to load a hunting rifle with bullets into the lands. Variations in Ogive can lead to stuck bullets and actions full of loose gunpowder - usually at the worst possible times.

Not an experience I care to repeat. Building the round and shooting it in the summer. And then hunting with the same exact cartridge in the snow, just makes it worse.

DJ, good clear point that makes the appropriate point relative to actual use.

Good Help bro!