Ethical question RE: auction listing

28 October 2010, 10:11

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
79 & 1/2.

OK, to make it an even 80 - I see that your overall posting number above is 24,066. That's a lot of posts. You've been a busy man. I have a lot of posting to do to catch up.

Scrolling backwards for a ways, it seems only jeffeosso exceeds your number of posts. Between the two of you, a lot of cyberspace has been lit up. Your average # of posts per year exceeds my total posts in nearly four years.

KB

when in doubt, attack others for random reasons ... it might distract from the substance.

you screwed the pooch, son .. you might own up to it.

no one bidding your stated selling price did anything wrong.

you breached contract, and keep yelling about the guy that followed the rules.

you might shut up whilest behind ... cuz you aint making up any ground

This is the best summary of this thread.

The professor's twisting on the issue is hilarious and the more he posts and tries to defend his amoral viewpoints the deeper he gets but in the end it's fun to watch him squirm.

29 October 2010, 20:14

theback40

I've been reading and thinking about this thread since started. I dont think a penny is a legit bid, but it might not have been handled very well by kabluey either. What I wonder is, what if the bid was $100 dollars, is that a legit bid for a $4-500 dollar rifle? Do you try to cancel and put a reserve in then??

29 October 2010, 20:55

larrys

theback40, I think the issue is HOW he backed out of the process and the subsequent efforts to continue to whine and justify his lack of ethics.

Yes, a penny IS a legit bid when the bidding starts at a penny. The problem is that he ignored, actually said Screw the rules, I will make my own up. Had he contacted the bidder and let him know that he made a mistake and was going to relist the items, I would not have an issue. Had he let the auction go to term, I would not have an issue. What he DID was to say, "Im scared and won't deal with it in any way but what my ego says, regardless of the rules, so SCREW YOU and the rules". It is that sort of lack of ethics that has most of us bothered.

Like I said, watch when dealing with him here in the classifieds. If he did it once, he will do it again. I wish someone would PM me his GB user ID so I could block him.

29 October 2010, 21:46

theback40

larrys, I didnt say that right, yes, I realize a penny was an actual offer, I meant for myself I wouldnt do that, but might figure it was worth only a hundred bucks to me. If someone approached me humbley and said they couldnt afford to loose that much money, I likely would say OK even then.

29 October 2010, 23:19

larrys

Me too. I agree.

30 October 2010, 03:56

TEANCUM

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Originally posted by larrys:
theback40, I think the issue is HOW he backed out of the process and the subsequent efforts to continue to whine and justify his lack of ethics.

Yes, a penny IS a legit bid when the bidding starts at a penny. The problem is that he ignored, actually said Screw the rules, I will make my own up. Had he contacted the bidder and let him know that he made a mistake and was going to relist the items, I would not have an issue. Had he let the auction go to term, I would not have an issue. What he DID was to say, "Im scared and won't deal with it in any way but what my ego says, regardless of the rules, so SCREW YOU and the rules". It is that sort of lack of ethics that has most of us bothered.

Like I said, watch when dealing with him here in the classifieds. If he did it once, he will do it again. I wish someone would PM me his GB user ID so I could block him.

Another good summary of his handling or mishandling of this auction. Well done.

Unfortunately, he did not understand/read/comprehend the auction rules and now comes to this board to recruit campfollowers to justify his misdealing with the buyer in the hopes of countering any bad ink that the buyer may bring up about him in the future.

It's quite revealing about his character.

On many auction sites where there is no minimum starting bid required, all the bidding may start at $.01. If you are the first bidder and bid $400.00 your bid will show up as $.01 until driven higher by other bidders. If another buyer bids $100.00 you bid would automatically go to say $105.00 by the program, on some predetermined bid difference. Those auctions are programed for the buyer to win by the smallest amount of his bid range up to his max bid. Interesting in how the bidding program is there to benefit the buyer on a no minimum bid start, isn't it????

Anyway it's continuing to stay hilarious with each of his posts.

30 October 2010, 04:07

cobra

Boring.

30 October 2010, 22:06

22WRF

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Originally posted by airgun1:
If I legally won the auction for a penny I expect the deal to be honored.

I have 292 feedbacks on eBay with 100% airgun_1

I have A+44 on Gunbroker airgun_1

I once listed a fairly valuable gun part with my standard $5.00 minimum bid and no Reserve. I can't recall what it was but remember that similar items had been bringing big bucks; it was a nice part to keep around but the lure of the going rate led me to list it. A guy won it for $5.00. He contacted me and said he did not try to win that at $5.00 and wanted to pay me at least what his auto-bid limit was. I thanked him but sold him the part for $5.00

I could have called a friend to shill bid, but I have a bit of integrity. Most gun people are good people, but there are exceptions.

I knew a lady whose husband passed on and left her with quite a large gun collection, mostly old with a capital O Winchester lever guns. One dealer offered her $25,000 for them @ $100 a piece because they were pretty old. My friend sold them for her on consignment and grossed her $900,000.00. Ethics and crooks.

Which goes to the point that everyone who owns guns and has a spouse should make a list of those guns and what they are worth!!!!!!!!!

With regard to the original question. if it was a no reserve auction the high bidder was entitled to receive the gun for the high bid.

But ethically, as least if it were me, I would not take a $400 gun, or even a $200 gun for $.01. The reason being that I think most of us try to operate by the golden rule. I certainly wouldn't want that to happen to me!

30 October 2010, 22:17

Moorepower

Would you pay $100 for a $1000 gun?

30 October 2010, 22:21

ted thorn

I have paid $1000 fo a $100 gun.....Kimber

30 October 2010, 22:36

Trax

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Originally posted by 22WRF:
..With regard to the original question. if it was a no reserve auction the high bidder was entitled to receive the gun for the high bid.

But ethically, as least if it were me, I would not take a $400 gun, or even a $200 gun for $.01. The reason being that I think most of us try to operate by the golden rule. I certainly wouldn't want that to happen to me!

if not $.01, then whats the minimum you would pay?

31 October 2010, 03:19

theback40

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I once listed a fairly valuable gun part with my standard $5.00 minimum bid and no Reserve. I can't recall what it was but remember that similar items had been bringing big bucks; it was a nice part to keep around but the lure of the going rate led me to list it. A guy won it for $5.00. He contacted me and said he did not try to win that at $5.00 and wanted to pay me at least what his auto-bid limit was. I thanked him but sold him the part for $5.00

I have to say, it makes me, and I'm sure others feel good that there are guys like airgun1 and the bidder out there. Both very classy people.
I sold some .223 brass that had been cut to length for 300 whisper to a fellow here on AR. The box arrived with a hole ripped in it and some of the brass lost. I had his check, he said "Oh, dont worry about it"

I tore up his check and told him I sold him X and he didnt get what was promised. I thanked him again and said keep whatever amount had made it there.