Sako or Sauer

13 April 2002, 01:29

Bill in NE

ALF, I recently pulled a 30-06 barrel off one of the 202s and replaced it with a 6.5x55. I thought that it would be a chore to re-sightin with the new barrel, but it printed within 1/2" of the 30-06 scope setting! Pretty neat stuff!

Any old 202s can be directed my way.

Bill in NE

13 April 2002, 03:21

Andre Mertens

Alf, it seems that we share the same good taste. Here a pic of my 202 with... EAW mount.

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Andrï¿½

13 April 2002, 22:49

<1GEEJAY>

Hi,
Never had a Styr,but I have had to numerous to mention Sako's.My first was a .270 barreled action in 1967.Sako's were a little hard to get back then.I've never had one that wouldn't shoot,or have a malfunction.I build all my rifles on Sako actions.I believe the quality is there.I do have one Remington#7.308.It serves a special function.Locally I like to hunt,the thickest thickets.It' perfect for an old man and his climber.
1geejay
www.shooting-hunting.com

16 April 2002, 09:43

Stonecreek

Andre: I'm sure your Sauer is a nice rifle, but the way you have it scoped is SO typical of European guns and scopes -- the scope center is far above the normal line-of-sight of your eye when your face rests properly on the comb of the stock. Just look how far above the rear open sight it is -- perhaps as much as an inch. This forces the shooter to raise his head from the stock in order to see through the scope, a condition which makes sight acquistion slow and shooting awkward. I don't mean to give offense, but why don't you Continentals get your scopes down where you can see through them? With a 40mm objective, the bell needs to barely clear the barrel to give proper eye alignment with most buttstocks.

17 April 2002, 09:33

aHunter

EAW mounts are top quality. I donï¿½t use them as they are too high. But for Europeans only shooting sitting from a treestand ( Hochstand )its not so bad. Also this is the reason for the scopes mounted far back. Which I especially dislike. Even more on "recoiling" calibers.

Good shooting! H

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17 April 2002, 00:33

Andre Mertens

Stonecreek, you made a point although I feel just the opposite. I shoot with head erect and bring the gun up, just like a shotgun, so that my eye falls in line with the scope occular and eye relief is OK for me with the scope backing out (an habit I probably acquired by doing most of my shooting at running game). On the contrary, I usually have to go to higher rings on U.S. rifles as I don't like to crawl over the stock to get a sight picture.

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17 April 2002, 04:35

Stonecreek

Andre, to each his own!

You mentioned shotguns. Early American shotguns (which were copied from their European forerunners) had so much drop to the buttstock that the shooter's face didn't even touch it (at least until the gun was fired, at which point the stock contacted the face rather severely!)

American stock designs have, over the decades, corrected this misproportionment in both rifles and shotguns. The "straighter" stocks (higher combs) create less muzzle jump, lower felt recoil, quicker eye alignment, etc. Look at Olympic target guns (both rifle and shotgun), even those used by Europeans, and see which theory prevails.

It is truly a matter of personal preference, but a scope mounted as low as possible and as far forward as still allows the shooter a full field of view is the most conducive to quick, accurate shooting.

Still, you are welcome to your preferences and I respect them.

16 February 2010, 22:05

lickilovac

sauer is better,thats a fact

16 February 2010, 23:45

James Cardwell

The Sauer hands down. I've owned several Sako rifles and none would shoot as well as the Sauer that my wife now claims. JC

17 February 2010, 00:44

metric

Blaser R93/R8

17 February 2010, 02:39

JonP

No question...buy the Sauer. Have 3 of them and a newly acquired 200. My 243 may be the most accurate rifle out of the box I have ever owned...love the actions, silent safety...

17 February 2010, 02:47

Biebs

You operate them both, become familiar with the layout and controls, then shoot them for groups. The Sauer is an absolutely elegant piece of jewelry-like machinery.

17 February 2010, 05:24

Dr. Lou

I have, use and love both. They are just as different as they are similar. You can't go wrong with either one. If you're looking for a a modular rifle system that has interchangable barrels, bolts, stocks and mags, the Sauer is your choice.

Lou

17 February 2010, 06:31

Fasteel

quote:
Originally posted by Sten the man:
What`s best, Sako 75 or Sauer 202?!

I add Steyr to the mix. FS

17 February 2010, 06:53

Biebs

+1 for the Steyr as well. Eurochasse is absolutely giving away the new half-stock wood Steyrs, from $13,95 to $1,495, depending on caliber.

17 February 2010, 08:41

Nakihunter

I have read that the Sauer rifles made in the 1970 / 80's had a soft / weak action with bolt lug damage from big magnums like 338 & 375.

Are the new Sig Sauer rifles a better quality?

17 February 2010, 20:39

Fish30114

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
I have, use and love both. They are just as different as they are similar. You can't go wrong with either one. If you're looking for a a modular rifle system that has interchangable barrels, bolts, stocks and mags, the Sauer is your choice.

Lou

I agree with all that Lou said, but will add, that getting parts, i.e. barrels and magazines for the 202's here in the states is VERY challneging. If you aren't going to shoot enough that barrel wear is an issue, it is probably moot, but getting a new barrel ain't just as simple as wanting one and ordering it--trust me!
I have over a half dozen Sauer 202's and would have that many more barrels if I could get them, but I can't! Rebarreling a Sako is much more straightforward....

You know the Sauer's are just so smooth and beautiful, but their design of locking the bolt into the barrel is so much maligned in other rifles using that design....Remington made an 'entry level' rifle a few years ago, maybe still do--and everyone and their brother said what a shitty design that it was to have the bolt lock up into the barrel directly--I personally wonder if that isn't a reason the Sauers shoot so damn good.

If you are a just buy it and use it type, and not gonna need to worry about a rebarrel, and the price difference doesn't bother you, I'd go the Sauer--one final positive about them--has to be the smoothest bolt possible....just love 'em. Here's a pic of a Serengeti (now Kilimanjaro) Rifleworks re-stocked one--it is an absolute tackdriver--270 Win

18 February 2010, 06:44

Dr. Lou

quote:
Originally posted by Fish30114:
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
I have, use and love both. They are just as different as they are similar. You can't go wrong with either one. If you're looking for a a modular rifle system that has interchangable barrels, bolts, stocks and mags, the Sauer is your choice.

Yes, finding parts can be challenging. I just picked up a 9.3x62 barrel from a fellow AR member. However, the barrel started life as a 270 and was rebored. Sauer barrels run in the area of 1K or better, and mags are $150-$250. I just found a 9.3x62 mag to go with my new barrel for $199. Barrel and mag = $700. I am very happy with that.

Lou
Lou

I agree with all that Lou said, but will add, that getting parts, i.e. barrels and magazines for the 202's here in the states is VERY challneging. If you aren't going to shoot enough that barrel wear is an issue, it is probably moot, but getting a new barrel ain't just as simple as wanting one and ordering it--trust me!
I have over a half dozen Sauer 202's and would have that many more barrels if I could get them, but I can't! Rebarreling a Sako is much more straightforward....

You know the Sauer's are just so smooth and beautiful, but their design of locking the bolt into the barrel is so much maligned in other rifles using that design....Remington made an 'entry level' rifle a few years ago, maybe still do--and everyone and their brother said what a shitty design that it was to have the bolt lock up into the barrel directly--I personally wonder if that isn't a reason the Sauers shoot so damn good.

If you are a just buy it and use it type, and not gonna need to worry about a rebarrel, and the price difference doesn't bother you, I'd go the Sauer--one final positive about them--has to be the smoothest bolt possible....just love 'em. Here's a pic of a Serengeti (now Kilimanjaro) Rifleworks re-stocked one--it is an absolute tackdriver--270 Win

18 February 2010, 07:16

505ED

Between the 2 Sauer 202 all the way!

Ed

18 February 2010, 15:14

sherpi

Sauer is the way but Sako is also good.

I like my Sauer in 6,5x55.

20 February 2010, 07:35

390ish

i have never owned a sauer. i have not heard of people comparing the sauer to a sako. i have a number of sakos, but i do not think they would be on par with a sauer. i do think a steyr is in the same league as sako, and often times better, depending on the individual rifle.

i think a lot of americans would be amazed on how well they could do with a sauer as compared to custom rifle off a reminton 700 action.

20 February 2010, 20:00

jro45

SAKO 75 is one accurate rifle. I never saw a Sauer So good luck with the Sauer.

20 February 2010, 21:11

Andre Mertens

I have 2 bbls. for my 202, a 7x64 and a .30-06 :

Out of the box, both bbls. group 5 shots into <.5 MOA with hunting handloads (6x scope).

23 February 2010, 07:09

lawndart

Hey Fish30114,

Could you re-post the original pictures that you put up after your Sauer got its new wood stock?

The description of the process, if you do not mind.

Thanks

23 February 2010, 07:16

zhaba

There is nothing to talk about here because thesauer is the only way to go. I have owned both and the sauer is a pure race horse,you will never look back once you get one or tow or three

24 February 2010, 03:18

Fish30114

John, here are the shots of one of my Sauer 270's in process. The Serengeti (now Kilimanjaro) stock process is basically taking your blank and sawing it vertically into 3 'slabs' and then reversing their orientation and laminating them together under presssure with special glue. This makes a stock that is as resisitant to warping as a synthetic in my experience, but you still get the beauty of a nice piece of wood.

It is very difficult to discern the 'lamination lines' even if you look close in the pics....and in real life

This last shot is of one of my Sakos that Serengeti restocked, it shows the lamination a little bit if you look close

26 February 2010, 09:19

tankhunter

Id like a Sauer ,i dont know much about the newer sakos ,the thing i noticed about the Sauers is the wood is fairly ordinary until you start to spend big bucks i think youd get better wood on a cheaper sako

26 February 2010, 17:49

jro45

Well I would choose the SAKO 75 I own one and I know how well it shoots. It will shoot a group
that is 1" at 150yds. I do not know what the Sauer can do. But I don't think it can beat The
SAKO 75.

26 February 2010, 18:31

lickilovac

SAUER OR SAKO, SAUER FOR SURE HAS A BETTER FINISH,MORE TRADITION AND OVERALL BETTER QUALLITY , NO ARGUE WITH THAT,SAKO IS OK RIFLE BUT IN TERM OF QUALLITY SAUER IS FEW STEPS AHEAD,SAKO CZ ARE THE SAME CALSS,

27 February 2010, 04:55

lawndart

Tankhunter,

I agree that the Sako wood used to be pretty nice for the money, but now that Beretta is squeezing the life out of that company the wood quality has gone down.

The Sako AV "hunter" style stock is the best stock ever designed for a mass produced rifle.

I agree with lickilovac about the relative quality.

Oh well, nothing good lasts forever. Anything great is gone in a flash.

LD

PS Fish, does your new Sauer stock have any cast off and/or toe-out at the butt?

01 March 2010, 00:25

Fish30114

quote:
Originally posted by lawndart:
LD

PS Fish, does your new Sauer stock have any cast off and/or toe-out at the butt?

It does LD, it is a copy of the Sako AV/75 Geometry

--I'll see if I have a shot from the pad side..

01 March 2010, 00:47

djpaintles

The Sauer's are indeed nice rifles but the one's that I handled were quite heavy. So are the Wood Stocked Sako's. Does Sauer make an equivelant lightweight model to Sako's Finnlite?

I've owned a few CZ's and several Sako's. No way is CZ anywhere near the same class of rifle to Sako.

I'll stick with Sako Finnlites and the Stainless model Sako 85 that is as light as the older 75 Finnlite's, so far the Sauer's I've handled were too heavy for my tastes.........................DJ

01 March 2010, 04:14

Fish30114

DJ, Sauer does make a lightweight, it is called....drumroll......the Sauer 202 Lightweight....here's a link to one at Cabela's.Lightweight at Cabela's

It has a couple of picatinny/weaver slots milled into the top of the action, which is aluminum instead of steel. The barrel is fluted and a little shorter, I have one in (surprise surprise) a 270 Winchester, and it is a tackdriver. They are VERY light.

I made a mod in the fore-end of the stock to anchor a traditional style swing slivel as the QD style the Sauers come with which is in the end of the fore-end won't work with a bi-pod.

It is a nice rifle to be sure, but I think I like my Finnlite's in Mickey stocks better....