I know there is a bow hunting forum but I don't go there. Anyways I gotta say bow technology concerning noise, vibration and accuracy are awesome the last few years. My bow is a 2011 K&K Vindicator which is designed by Kevin Strothers and led to the obsession Lethal Force the next year. Bows have only gotten about 15 fps faster in the last five years.

So, any fellow bow hunters want to comment on their new bow technology?

I culled 11 deer from my farm one winter with this bow and it absolutely slays with double lung shots.

I shoot a pink Carbon Express crossbow. Guns are better.

I want an Excaliber crossbow. Easily shoot 50 yards which is where wary elk like to hang out sometime. Just won't come closer. Conventional bows can shoot 50 yards but 40 yards is more comfortable for people past 70 years old. Guns can be shot at any age and Reloading is the most fun but I like bow tuning second.

Whoa, I got 900 posts on this forum the last ten years.

I shoot a Martin with a spot hogg 7 pin sight, the sight was quite spendy. I arrowed a buck this year at 50 yards. I bow hunt almost all the time for deer and elk cause i dont draw my rifle tags, it takes about 5 years or so to draw where I'm from. Alot of locals here bowhunt also for that same reason.

Crossbows are expensive though.

I once bought a $1400.00 HOYT carbon element and traded it to a genius cam swapper for the K&K I now shoot. I completely modified the limp pockets and made them floating independent.

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Originally posted by kennedy:
I shoot a Martin with a spot hogg 7 pin sight, the sight was quite spendy. I arrowed a buck this year at 50 yards. I bow hunt almost all the time for deer and elk cause i dont draw my rifle tags, it takes about 5 years or so to draw where I'm from. Alot of locals here bowhunt also for that same reason.

I shoot a modified cobra/hogg it hunter 3 pin, 20 yards, 35 yards and 50 yards.

Hogg it sights are the best IMO.

Yeah bow hunting rules. Most fun.

Ever heard of the G5 deadmeat broad head?

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Originally posted by ar corey:
I want an Excaliber crossbow. Easily shoot 50 yards which is where wary elk like to hang out sometime. Just won't come closer. Conventional bows can shoot 50 yards but 40 yards is more comfortable for people past 70 years old. Guns can be shot at any age and Reloading is the most fun but I like bow tuning second.

I used to shoot a Matthews Monster 7 with a Schaffer opposition rest, HHA 1 pin sight, and a potsen stabilizer. I shot that fairly accurately (pie plate) out to 60yds. I sold it for the crossbow so that my daughters could hunt with dad. I enjoyed shooting at the archery course but didn't care for the hunting mentality of the archery crowd. I have never been shunned or madefun of at the gun range for showing up with the 'wrong kind of gun.'

I agree, cross bows are much more lethal than a conventional bow. Even a caped buffalo getting a double lung of blades just gives up after 30 seconds and bleed out. 3 blades and hemorrhage potential makes broad heads better than a big bore for hemorrhage.

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Originally posted by thecanadian:

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Originally posted by ar corey:
I want an Excaliber crossbow. Easily shoot 50 yards which is where wary elk like to hang out sometime. Just won't come closer. Conventional bows can shoot 50 yards but 40 yards is more comfortable for people past 70 years old. Guns can be shot at any age and Reloading is the most fun but I like bow tuning second.

I used to shoot a Matthews Monster 7 with a Schaffer opposition rest, HHA 1 pin sight, and a potsen stabilizer. I shot that fairly accurately (pie plate) out to 60yds. I sold it for the crossbow so that my daughters could hunt with dad. I enjoyed shooting at the archery course but didn't care for the hunting mentality of the archery crowd. I have never been shunned or madefun of at the gun range for showing up with the 'wrong kind of gun.'

Bow hunters are a lot like fly fishermen in that regard.

Bow hunters know the true adrenaline rush of buck fever when pulling on a group at 20 yards. Especially first time drawing. Solidity takes over... Awesome.

Shot placement and sharp broadheads kill not the apparatus that put said broadhead on it's path

Ah but the bow is the ballistic machine that puts the arrow with its broadhead on its way

The last 5 years has likely seen the compound bow reach the peak of it's energy efficiency as a device.

Given the system in use we have reached peak kinetic energy for the amount of stored energy in the system ( ie the amount of work done by the archer to store the energy )

All that manufacturers can do now is to reduce the systems inherent problems such as torque and recoil impulse.

It poses a problem for manufacturers because the pool of archers ( the pie) is not getting any bigger, if anything it is shrinking and each brand has a certain market penetration ( the slice). The amount of new archers entering the market is less than the numbers dropping off at the end !

In order to make their cut larger they are forced to bring out new innovations year after year. This is a problem because in terms of energy efficiency they have hit the ceiling in design. So now we see more and more gimmicks !

The american sport shoe / sneaker industry are faced with exactly the same problem !

I shoot a cross bow now days kills critters just fine.

I killed more things with a horizontal bow but I hunted with one of them for 50 years only a couple with the cross bow.

Started out with a long bow, then recurve then compound now a cross bow.

The past 5 years?

Bows broke the 300 fps barrier 25 years ago

My 2011 bow IBO's 338 fps
A fast bow 5 years later is 350 with a 6" brace height.

Long bows are still the king of penetration.

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Originally posted by ar corey:
My 2011 bow IBO's 338 fps
A fast bow 5 years later is 350 with a 6" brace height.

When the 9" brace hight Pearson Soiler broke the 300 fps mark in 1992 IBO recognized 7 grns per inch......

Today it's 5 grns per inch.

A good bow also cost about $375 back then not $900+

Ah yes they broke 300 fps or 330 fps but not 350 fps.

In the world of archery a jump from 300 fps to 350 fps is huge ..... if that off course is important to you ?

The point is from a mechanical perspective the ballistic system using limbs cables and cams likely has reached its efficiency ceiling and eeking out a few FPS over 350 fps could be possible if energy losses in the system are mitigated.

As to penetration using arrows and broadheads that is a whole game to itself but like other projectiles ( bullets, baseballs, rocks you name it) all adhere to the same mechanical principles..... mass, velocity and orthographic surface area through which the arrow presents itself to the target

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Originally posted by ted thorn:

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Originally posted by ar corey:
My 2011 bow IBO's 338 fps
A fast bow 5 years later is 350 with a 6" brace height.

When the 9" brace hight Pearson Soiler broke the 300 fps mark in 1992 IBO recognized 7 grns per inch......

Today it's 5 grns per inch.

A good bow also cost about $375 back then not $900+

The K&K Vindicator I currently shoot has a 7" brace height. My standard, much like a 24" barrel, simply gets the job done.

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
Long bows are still the king of penetration.

I studied vector forces in University physics and f=ma

Long bow or compound bow have nothing to do with the penetrating potential.

You are wrong.

Kevin Strothers can pull a 180# compound bow.

My 2008-2009 Mathews Drenalin is supposedly 320 IBO. I spent enough on it back then that I have refused to upgrade yet. Just got new string/cables on it and it still shoots great with 70lb draw. Pretty quiet also. I probably don't hunt with it enough to justify the new one. The No Cams and others are interesting though

Over 20 years ago in high school my second bow was a Golden Eagle Formula 3D. The Formula 3D has reflex limb blocks added to increase the power stroke potential. The bow pulled 80#s, had bad let off, was loud and only IBO, 300fps. Alf is right, 300 to 350 in archery is huge.

Bugle,

I have only shot the Switchback from Mathews. Very respectable bow. 2012 was the great year in archery with the introduction of the lethal force. Many guys are selling their K&K Vengeance for around $200 if you can find one. There is a guy on YouTube with a video of #10 Vengeance, bow porn. Shows how smooth the K&K draws and how quiet. Here is a picture of my new string from World's Best Strings from Leader, Saskatchewan.

A picture of my new hammered bronze paint job on the K&K.

Sight is a Hogg-It Hunter that I modified to fit on a Cobra bracket. Also a picture of the modified floating independent limb pockets.

I have experienced 3 pins to be enough for hunting.

20, 35, 50 yards with this bow. Here is a video of the K&K smaller version called the Vengeance. The only difference between the Vengeance and my Vindicator is a 2" axle to axle measurement. The Vindicator is 35", the Vengeance is 33".

the engineering is pretty amazing.

I'm still using the 50lb Re-curve I got back in the 70's, sometimes still shooting the wood arrows, sometimes the rest of the aluminum ones my dad got in the late 60's.


reminds me,, I need a new string.

Used a 1968 Red Wing Hunter recurve (made by Bob Lee) with Douglas fir shafts and a 1960 Mowoc Dot broadhead this past fall.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
the engineering is pretty amazing.

I'm still using the 50lb Re-curve I got back in the 70's, sometimes still shooting the wood arrows, sometimes the rest of the aluminum ones my dad got in the late 60's.


reminds me,, I need a new string.

What do you build a recurve string out of? BCY X strands?

I wonder what a 55# modern bow would IBO.

Probably over 300 fps. Deadly for a 20 yard shot from a blind.

I believe every elder should bow hunt at least one moose in their lifetime. Today's equipment is deadly and makes a difference.

A 70# bow is enough to take a moose at 50 yards. I might just borrow my brothers 270 Winchester 7600.

I just calculated the speed, 306.333 fps, enough to shoot a moose at 35 yards. They like canola and peas.

Just set up a blind by a watering hole.

This is my home gym I use to prepare for bow hunting season, an Inspire M3. Does a true shoulder press which is rare in home gyms.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KwAKSOd3ZTg

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Originally posted by ar corey:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFS1alAVceY

The boy in the video is shooting the Prime dual cam with a dual pulleyed cam on each limb to balance cam lean.

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I know there is a bow hunting forum but I don't go there.

A bowhunter doesn't go to the bowhunting section? I got there easily, then I realized getting there from Canada is much more difficult.