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The .35 caliber is used by experienced and knowledgeable hunters

EXACTLY! Give that man a cigar!!!

WN

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Originally posted by Whelen Nut:

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The .35 caliber is used by experienced and knowledgeable hunters

EXACTLY! Give that man a cigar!!!
WN

Unless it's Bill Clinton !!!!!

EXACTLY!!

For a little viewing pleasure www.35cal.com

Also, John Barsness, wrote an article for Rifle magazine about a year and a half ago, comparing the 358win and 338federal. He made up some handloads in both, he got 2,750fps with a 200gr Hornady spire point in a 22" Ruger Hawkeye. He also stated that was not max and 2,800fps should be fine.

When the .358win is loaded to its potential its a real powerful cartridge for such a small case. In my opinion it makes the Whelen redundant with lighter bullets.

This is why i want to focus on heavier bullets in my whelen(250gr and up) and use my .358 for lighter duties, i'll see if i can dig up that Rifle mag and let you guys know which month and # it is.....

They dont have any popularity problems with me. But it takes a handloader to realize their potential, as with many other calibers. Know what you shoot!

For the lazy, the Whelen sending a 225 Accubond at 2750 fps will do a lot very well.

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the Whelen sending a 225 Accubond at 2750 fps will do a lot very well.

Would you be so kind to post the load data for this?

Vapo: I get about the same results as 900 SS with the 225 Accubond. I use 56gr/IMR4064/225 Nosler Accubond/Ballistic Tip. This is a load I have been using in the Whelen since the 70's, and was published in the Speer #8 Manual. I also use the same load with the 250 grain, whatever, shoots nice tight groups. Case life is excellent! One of my buddies, use RL19, and gets in the high 2600's with 250 Partitions. I don't remember the exact load he uses so I won't post any numbers, but his rifle loves RL15, and hates 4064. Both of our barrels are 24".

Jerry

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Would you be so kind to post the load data for this?

I can, but notice that I use resized Norma 9,3x62 cases to avoid headspace problems and my chamber is probably a bit oversize.

In a Douglas 24 inch barreled Mauser 98, 60 grain Norma 203b, COL 85,5 mm, Fed. 210 and the 225 Accubond chronies to 2750 fps.

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I use 56gr/IMR4064/225 Nosler Accubond

Hodgdon has that load listed.....they report velocity of 2547 FPS and 49,000 CUP

We all know "stuff" happens.....so I'll try it starting at 53 grains and work up.

Thanks for the post!

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Originally posted by 900 SS:

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Would you be so kind to post the load data for this?

I can, but notice that I use resized Norma 9,3x62 cases to avoid headspace problems and my chamber is probably a bit oversize.

In a Douglas 24 inch barreled Mauser 98, 60 grain Norma 203b, COL 85,5 mm, Fed. 210 and the 225 Accubond chronies to 2750 fps.

Thanks 900....I don't have that powder available here....so I'll try a few others.

You might get someone better informed than me verify that Norma 203b and Reloder 15 is close to the same powder produced at the same factory. As close as lotvariation.

Thats the rumour over here.

Allinnt shows 57 grains of RL-15 to produce 2650 or so.....I'll try that as well.

I wish to correct myself in the previous post, I refered to RL19 in one line of that post, it should be RL15 as I mentioned latter, sorry for the error.

Jerry

The real problems for the 35 bore are Africa's limits on min bore size and the fact that in this country one doesn't really need a 35 cal magnum as the 338 is sufficient for anything in North America.

Imagine if all African countries specified the 35 caliber as min bore size instead of 375. I think a lot more 350 Norma Mags would be made and sold today.

Another minor point is there are more low power 35 calibers out there, such as the 35 Remington in comparison to the 375 bore. Low power cartridges like this prevent countries in Africa from specifying much below the 375 bore as minimum. Once the 35 cal bore is "approved" it is guaranteed someone, somewhere, will use it on a Cape Buffalo!

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Originally posted by vapodog:
Allinnt shows 57 grains of RL-15 to produce 2650 or so.....I'll try that as well.

http://www.nosler.com/Reloadin...elen-225-Grains.aspx

Not that I need the extra 100+ ekstra fps, but the recoil is still very moderate and prescision is excellent in my gun. Very allround load.

I can see that I need to look at Nosler's loading data more often....

Yesterday I loaded trials of Varget and 225 Partitions and even those at the max of Hodgdon's website were anemic...I'll work up today!

Vapodog,
Back home in eastern Nebraska, I still see a lot of 30-30's. Not as many as ten years ago, but my buddies daughter is going out this early season with a new Marlin.

I must be one of the odd balls, as I have always wanted a 35 Whelen. Never had the chance to find a good used one, and don't have the money for a semi custom build.

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Originally posted by NEJack:
I must be one of the odd balls, as I have always wanted a 35 Whelen.

It's one fine round....with some creative handloads can generate close to 4,000 ft-lb energy....everything the creators wanted of it.....something to approximate the .375 H&H in a standard magazine that didn't cost an arm and a leg.

I plan to take mine elk hunting this fall....Colorado near the western border.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEJack:
I plan to take mine elk hunting this fall....Colorado near the western border.

Where? roger

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Originally posted by vapodog:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEJack:
I plan to take mine elk hunting this fall....Colorado near the western border.

Where? roger

Fruita which is west of Grand Junction. Some of the hunt will be in the Douglas Pass area.

Where? roger[/QUOTE] Fruita which is west of Grand Junction. Some of the hunt will be in the Douglas Pass area.[/QUOTE]
That's my old stomping grounds. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Sadly for over 128 years 35 cal cartridges have been introduced and failed as a marketing item,yet they just kept coming. The list of currently listed by some are:

35 Remington

.356 Winchester

.358 Winchester

35 Whelen

.350 Remington Mag.
roger

It does take some patience to get a good one. In most cases one must wait until previous owner goes to the happy hunting grounds.

You are 100% correct. I believe it is largely due to disinterest amoung the bullet makers to produce suitable bullet weights in this caliber. Just as is the case with the .348 Win. I finally sold mine because I could not find any more of the heavier weights in this fine old caliber. The makers thought we only wanted 200 gr. bullets for it.
I remember Keith commenting that the .35 Whelen was a grand cartridge, but thet it really needed a good 300 grain bullet for use on Elephants. I think that alone speaks volumns of the great .35 Whelen.

In La. and Miss. they have gone from muzzleloader seasons to premitive weapon season. you can use a vintage single shot rifle. Miss. has gone a step futher allowing rifle such as tc/encore. must be over .35 cal. most people I encounter use 45-70. the people reloading I know are going with 35 rem and 35 whelen.
Larry

I think the .35s failed for several reason. The niches they filled were quickly voided by other rounds. For a while, they were fairly popular as still-hunting brush rounds for deer, especially in the NE. Most guy these days are stand hunters and there is a lot more opportunity for longer shots in the NE these days so .35s were abandoned for something flatter shooter. Second, they filled a gap above .30 caliber for larger game in the US. The combination of common access to .338s/.375 magnums and the proliferation of bullets that will break shoulder of Elk with .270s/.30-06s closed that gap. Also, (i'm guessing) the .35s never caught on in Europe as medium bore because they seem to like long high SD bullets (9.3/286 for ex) and the common .35 twists didn't stabilize them. That being said my 700 classic .35 Whelen and BLR .358 Win are not for sale. I think the 35s make a great medium range thumper without a lot of recoil.

Lou

Lou: Got the same two; a classic and BLR. Love thm both. If I had to pare down to two rifles,it will probably be the 35 Whelen and my 25-06.

As a side note I teach Hunter Ed and new hunters are fascinated with those 35 cal dummies I pass around! They recognize the 308's, 7 mags, but have never laid eyes on 35's.

A cheap,and easy way to get a good shooting 35 Whelen is buy a Savage 110 in an 06 cartridge. Buy an Adams & Bennett barrel from Midway, with a barrel wrench, go and no-go guages and you will have a great shooter with a 1-14" twist rate. Yeah i know 110's are ugly but it WILL shoot great

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Originally posted by fgulla:
A cheap,and easy way to get a good shooting 35 Whelen is buy a Savage 110 in an 06 cartridge. Buy an Adams & Bennett barrel from Midway, with a barrel wrench, go and no-go guages and you will have a great shooter with a 1-14" twist rate. Yeah i know 110's are ugly but it WILL shoot great

Get the Stevens 200, sell the barrel it comes with;+++++ gages not needed if you reload. roger

Bartshe, really ??? How are you gonna head-space???? go/no-go guages for an 06 will work for any of the variants, so if you plan on buying a couple of the barrels in different cartridges its a smart buy. All you really need is a no-go guage, but both is a smart way to go

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Originally posted by fgulla:
Bartshe, really ??? How are you gonna head-space???? n:

Since I only fire reloads in many of my Savage and Stevens rifles. I set the the head space with the ammunition. Screw the barrel on hand tight than back barrel off less than a 1/16 close to 1/20 of a turn or 1 RCH; .0025 to .003", then tighten the nut securly.I've done this with almost all my wild cats. You may, however, want to support our economy and get a set of gages. roger