Just read an article praising the .375 H&H, and it got me to wondering if there is a medium to small bore that has similar properties in regards to being a balanced cartridge with killing efficiency over a broad spectrum of game. The .300 Savage comes to mind. What do ya'll think?

.300 H&H

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Originally posted by TreeFarmer:
.300 H&H

me too. I think that the ,375H&H is a very well designed cartridge and so is the .300 H&H as well...

I'm not home and can't check my reference books, but I would think that our boring, old vanila ice cream, 30/06 would be similar in bore to case capacity and certainly is one of those broad spectrum calibers. I've dropped everything from groundhogs to kudu with mine. Of course part of its success is that companies have designed bullets and powder around it, rather than fitted powders and bullets designed for something else to the 06.
Not very exciting, but my thoughts.
Bfly

I'll throw in the 6.5 X 55 and the 7mm X57. Low butt punishment for the big job they do at the pressures they were designed for. roger

I have a CZ FS in 9,3x62 and really like it. 286gr bullets at 2450fps and easy on the shoulder. That said, it is basically a .366-06 and can't match the old 375H&H for speed. It can nip closely at the heels of the old girl however, and is legal for DG in Africa.

If it were me, I would match the 375 with the 300H&H in a pair of CZ's and be a very happy camper going hunting.

Rich
DRSS
CZ fan

Can't comment on the 300 H&H but the "Ole 3/6 bits" is one smack'em and stack'em calibre. None better. From the top to the bottom. Relatively easy on the shoulder, too.
DB

How can you have more tradition and useful power than two rifles- 7x57 and .375 H&H?

There are sexier choices but few better than the 30'06 (or even the 9/10ths as good 308 Winchester).

.275 Rigby

I gotta have 2 - the '06 and the 7-08

After a little reloading work all three shoot the same trajectory out to 200 yards with medium weight bullets. I just match caliber to game and never have to think about where the bullets are going.

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Originally posted by Dungbeetle:
Can't comment on the 300 H&H but the "Ole 3/6 bits" is one smack'em and stack'em calibre. None better. From the top to the bottom. Relatively easy on the shoulder, too.
DB

ding ding ding.....we have a winner here

I love the 06 but in this case I gotta go with the 7X57.

TerryR

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Originally posted by bartsche:
I'll through in the 6.5 X 55 and the 7mm X57. Low butt punishment for the big job they do at the pressures they were designed for. roger

A 7 x 57, with a 175 grain Corelokt or 175 Grain Round Nose, will do amazing things, with an MV of 2650 fps....( 40 grains of IMR 3031)

As will do a 6.5 x 55 with a 160 grain RN, with an MV of a lowly 2250 fps, with recoil like a 223...( 30 grains of RL 7)...

.338 win mag works well on most game. you can load from 165 grain to 300 grain bullets of all styles.

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Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Just read an article praising the .375 H&H, and it got me to wondering if there is a medium to small bore that has similar properties in regards to being a balanced cartridge with killing efficiency over a broad spectrum of game. The .300 Savage comes to mind. What do ya'll think?

That ain't a bad choice. Neither is the 7X57mm Mauser, the .308 Winny or the ol' .30/'06!

.333 Jeffery -both Rimless and Flanged

6.5 Mannlicher Rim or no rim--- your choice.

80 grains of powder in a .375 bore is volumetrically equivalent to:

54 grains in a .30 (halfway between .308 and a 30-06. Pretty close to a 7.62x54R.)

46 grains in a .284 (also known as 7x57 or 7mm-08)

38 grains in a .257 (250-3000 Savage)

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Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Just read an article praising the .375 H&H, and it got me to wondering if there is a medium to small bore that has similar properties in regards to being a balanced cartridge with killing efficiency over a broad spectrum of game. The .300 Savage comes to mind. What do ya'll think?

In that case the .376 Steyr, or better, a .375 Taylor.

The 9.3 x 62, .35 Whelen, .338-06, and a few others do very well with the heavy bullets, but these cannot approach the power of the .375 H&H.

The .338WM with 230 to 300-grian bullets kicks on the hills of the .375 H&H and similar bullet weights, but that's it. Although the .338WM with a 300-grain Woodleigh loaded to produce around 2,400 fps is an excellent combination, the .375 can still launch the same bullet weight much faster.

Now, launch the same 300-grain .375-caliber bullet out of a .375 Taylor, and you are not just kicking on the hills of the .375 H&H, but nearly duplicating its ballistics. The .375 Taylor is much of a short .375H&H, but with a belt.

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Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Just read an article praising the .375 H&H, and it got me to wondering if there is a medium to small bore that has similar properties in regards to being a balanced cartridge with killing efficiency over a broad spectrum of game. The .300 Savage comes to mind. What do ya'll think?

Similar properties.... Well considering similar velocities with bullets of similar sectional densities:



-Bob F.

Well...I guess Bob ended this thread.....nice work. Regards, Rick

As Bob said, the 30.06 matches up well!

If I were looking for a two-gun battery, the 270 Win and the 375 H&H would make the perfect pair. If I were going for pure nostalgia, I'd go with the 300 H&H in place of the 270 Win.

30-40 Krag.

9.3x64 seems like a nice twin to the 375.

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Originally posted by TreeFarmer:
.300 H&H

+1

Well, in Africa the 375 H&H and the 7mm Mauser were favoured hunting calibres back in the days so they would make nice bed-fellows.

There are many, many medium to small balanced cartridges with killing efficiency over a broad spectrum of game.

Among them, I especially like:

338 Win Mag
300H&H
30-06
308
7x64 (or 280 Rem or 7x65R)
7x57
25-06
257 Roberts
250-3000

My first choice = 300H&H and my second choice = 7x64

I belive the 300H&H was specifically developed to be the smaller twin to the 375H&H

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I belive the 300H&H was specifically developed to be the smaller twin to the 375H&H

With the two of them hunt anywhere and anything.

A 6.5X57R sound perfect for me!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
30-40 Krag.

+1 for a falling block or break-open.

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Originally posted by nordrseta:
There are sexier choices but few better than the 30'06 (or even the 9/10ths as good 308 Winchester).

.308 gets my vote. Short action wins the day AFAIC

06

Bradley's question was about balance, not our favorite cartridge. I will say a couple of words in this regard.

Bob is correct and provides a good comparative table. I have long considered the 30-06 to be the functional, small-medium equivalent of the 375HH. The two rifles make a well matched pair.
And while I have successfully hunted with both I have never owned either calibre and do not have a desire for either calibre. But they make an exceptionally well-balanced pair. Some people see that as mediocrity, others see it as the ultimate all-purpose duo. Both views are justified.

There are other natural pairings.
The 7mmRM might go well with a 338 Lapua,
A similar and great pairing are the 270Win and 338WM.

The 338WM itself on the low end and the handloaded 416 Rigby are my personal favorite pairing.

Others may prefer a 300 WM and a 375 RUM.

All of these have similar weight/trajectory ballistics for a similar style of hunting, but differ in magnitude of energy and recommended upper game limit.

Perhaps another pairing would be the 7x57 or 308Win and the 9.3x62.

Anyway, I think that one can say that the 30-06 and 375 H&H make a balanced, proportional, hunting pair.

What he said ^^^^ Very well layed out & 100% true.

I love the 06 & used it on a lot of game, still do, how ever I now use a 338/06 & 9.3X62 instead of the 375H&H .

Hello,

I have a "trio" of rifles with trayectory mathching and sectional density bullets matching cartridges: 7x57, .30-06 and the .375H&H. Can use the .375 with any of the other two without to "change the chip" because of the trayectory.
I believe in the "be aware of the one-rifle man..."

PH

What about the 358 Win?

I was about to agree with a couple of others that suggested that the 9.3x62 would be a good candidate for a smaller twin of the .375 H&H. But, Nakihunter brings up another possibility with the .358 Winchester. My little Ruger Hawkeye 358 Win is a hard-hitting, dark timber/mid-range cartridge and is also good candidate for a smaller sibling to the great 375 H&H.