Has anyone used the 286grn BTX bullets in 9.3?
What is the length like in comparison to 250grners?
They should be a great bullet for the 9.3x64 with its high velocity.

Oz, I haven't tried them but I would be willing to bet that the 286 grain Barnes TS are going to be to long to work in your 9,3 considering the limited case capacity. They make a 250 grain TS that might work better.

Dave

Dave is right that the 286 gr 9.3mm Barnes is a very long bullet. In general with a Barnes X or TSX it is wise to go about 10% lighter in bullet weight to get a bullet of normal length. Otherwise you lose powder space and the long bullets have an unpredictable tendency to tumble when they hit game.

Oz My 9.3x64 is built on a Mauser 98 action. The 286 TSX bullet is considerably longer than the 286 gr Partition. In my rifle the TSX has to be seated quite deep to function through the magazine. If you had 9.3x64 built on a Rem 700 or P-14/P17 length action you could seat that bullet out and not compromise case capacity. The 250 gr X bullet may be better suited,depending on what you are shooting.

Working on the fact that I often use 300grn A -frame bullets in 9.3 I thought the long x bullet in 286grn would be ok.
The Rifle is being built for a friend with an old Brno action mod;22?
I would prefer the 286grn bullets for big game than the 250grnrs.
Do the Barnes TSXs have a crimp line ?

Oz The TSX bullets all have several grooves machined into the bullet to reduce friction. You could crimp into one of the forward grooves.

Ozhunter,

My present load for my 9.3x62mm is the "old" 286grn Barnes XFB over 58grns of Re-15..This shoots to around 1" but in truth thats about my limit, not the rifle/load..

I can't remember what the COL is for this, but I recall it was quite a boot longer than book, but its still able to cycle through the magazine in my CZ550...

I've just bought some 286grn TSX and hope to use the same load for those too..

Regards,

Pete

Some interesting pictures I received from Pieter Olivier. This is what he wrote ...

"Here is the TSX 9,3 286gr, retrieved from a Gemsbuck.
The bullet was launched at 2,220 fps from my Brno CZ550.
The Gemsbuck was shot at 60m, from behind next to his tail.
The bullet went through to the front of the lungs.
Retained weight was 100%."





The bullet is rather long and does rob powder capacity, hence a velocity of 2,220 fps only,
but it does provide dependable performance - deep straight-line penetration with a well formed mushroom.

Warrior

warrier
yes , but the next one might not end up like that....it might not even expand....thats the unpredictability of barnes bullets
daniel

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Originally posted by M 98:
warrier
yes , but the next one might not end up like that....it might not even expand....thats the unpredictability of barnes bullets
daniel

I agree with M 98. Suppose that gemsbuck had been at 175 meters? I doubt that X bullet would have opened up at all. The beautiful thing about the 9.3X62 is that because of the modest velocity, YOU DO NOT NEED TOUGH GUY BULLETS! The plain old Speer 270 grain semi-spitzer works just fine and does not intrude into the case. That would be a fine load for plains game. If you want to shoot it on something "tougher", you can't go wrong with a plain old 286 grain Woodleigh roundnose soft or solids and again, they don't take up powder space. If you have to have a premium bullet, go with the 286 grain Nosler Partition. It's not near as long as the Barnes bullet and expansion should be fine.

Years ago I SWORE I would never, ever buy a Barnes bullet again because I got so tired or Randy and Coni doing all of their beta testing on us. At one time, every damn box of 7mm X bullets I bought had a different ogive. They are doing it again. Now, we have X bullets, TSX bullets, moly coated bullets, and a new "ballistic tip" bullet. Who the hell knows what they will think up next to "improve" them. However, I may weaken and try them again in my .375 H&H because I am still searching for a load that will shoot well in my Ruger. A 270 grain TSX will work with Reloder 15, would probably shoot pretty flat, and have enough velocity to open up at most practical hunting ranges.

Dave

Dave
try the bullets made by mike brady...Northfork bullets they are really top projectiles, as is the man behind the product.....i have had long discussions with him about the mono bullets and he is a wealth of information....he will tell you the truth even if it dosent agree with your view/idea
the only problem i see in the for seeable future is when lead is banned we are going to be left with mono proj ,it will be a living night mare esecially if the the other manufactures use the shooting public as guinea pigs for there products as barnes did
and continues to do so

daniel

From left to right (all 9,3 bullets): CDP, Lapua Mega, PMP ProAmm, Stewart (Std) and Rhino Solid Shank



My pick ... the last bullet - the 286 gr Rhino bullet ... for obvious reasons.

Warrior

I have found the 286gr partition to be about perfect. The speer 270 bullet was a little soft for big game. I had one fail to exite a moose neck at 15 yards with a muzle velosity of just over 2500fps.

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Originally posted by Thebear_78:
I have found the 286gr partition to be about perfect. The speer 270 bullet was a little soft for big game. I had one fail to exite a moose neck at 15 yards with a muzle velosity of just over 2500fps.

Bear, I am curious. Did you get the moose and, if so, were you able to fish out that Speer to see what condition it was in?

Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Oz, I haven't tried them but I would be willing to bet that the 286 grain Barnes TS are going to be to long to work in your 9,3 considering the limited case capacity. They make a 250 grain TS that might work better.

Dave

No i disagree.

He shoots the 9,3x64 Brenneke. This cartridge has enough room for the 286gr TSX bullet cause it works with much more pressure then the 9,3x62.

It should be a fine combination if loaded with a lot of good stuff like Norma 203b or alliant reloader 15!

Safarischorsch, perhaps I was incorrect. I thought Oz was asking about using the 286 grain Barnes bullets in a 9,3X62 but he does make reference to a 9,3X64 in his post. If that is the case, then the Barnes bullets may indeed work fine.

Oal 286 Barnes X 1.494 to 1.499"
286 Nosler Partition 1.366 to 1.368"

I measured 3 of each.

With my 9,3x74R double I have killed deer and wild pigs with the 270 Speer. I have only recovered one bullet ffom a 300+ pounder.

I have no complaints about this bullet but for Africa I have always used the Nosler Partition or the 286 Woodleigh Soft.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Suppose that gemsbuck had been at 175 meters? I doubt that X bullet would have opened up at all.

"...you can't go wrong with a plain old 286 grain Woodleigh roundnose soft or solid and again, they don't take up powder space.

Dave

I don't mean to be contrary, but why is a Barnes X bullet that turned into a solid when it refused to open its petals, not be as effective as plain old Woodleigh solid?

I can't go wrong with one, but am totally wrong with the other?

Must be your dislike of the name Barnes that is clouding your reasoning.

Onefunzr2, I think that a Barnes that failed to open would probably just effective as any solid. However, on soft skinned game, it would not be as effective as a soft in the same caliber. You may also be correct that my absolute dislike of Barnes Bullets may be clouding my judgement. After having experimented with them, I can't understand why anyone would select a monometal expanding bullet with all the attendant problems they entail when there are so many excellent, proven, conventional expanding bullets out there like Swifts, Noslers, etc. The biggest problem with the Barnes bullets is that they are so long compared to conventional bullets of the same weight. As a consequence, they intrude to far into the case and take up valuable powder space. You have to either shoot a different powder or a lighter bullet at higher velocity. Me, I am going to stick with a bullet of more conventional design that is HEAVY for caliber. IMHO that is the best way to insure both expansion AND penetration.

Dave

Usually a pointed bullet that does not expand will "tumble" inside the animal, which can cause a change of direction, and reduced penetration.