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358 Norma: CIP Throat Dimensions

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27 March 2018, 07:51
+Templar+
358 Norma: CIP Throat Dimensions
Anyone have a 358 Norma with CIP chamber dimensions? How does it shoot? Does the throat seem short? I am having one built and we are currently discussing the reamer options.

The CIP chamber has a throat that is shaped like a cone. Starts out at .3598” then tapers to bore diameter over .240”. It seems like it would be short and .3598” seems like quite a “loose” start for the bullet, but curious if anyone out there has any experience with it. Here is a link to the CIP dimensions: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homolo...iiical-en-page26.pdf

Seems like most modern chambers have parallel sided freebore and then a cone shaped throat.

Thoughts or recommendations?




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29 March 2018, 17:58
snowman
I do not have a drawing to share with you but I have owned several 358 Normas and I have friends that have or have had 358 Normas. I don't believe 2 of them had the same throat. The shortest I've seen is in a Husqvarna 1600 that I own right now. Had one built on a P-14 action with a long throat and the max load in that rifle was 3 grs more than the 1600. I also had a M98 that had a throat somewhere in the middle. Not sure if that helps.
30 March 2018, 02:26
Austin Hunter
SAAMI specs are too short for me on my 358 Norma build. Measuring some different rounds right now and then will lengthen throat based on this.

I did the same on my 35 Whelen. SAAMI specs were short. Optimized for a 225 gr TSX at 3.320" at .030" off the lands.


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31 March 2018, 06:48
Austin Hunter
quote:
Originally posted by Austin Hunter:
SAAMI specs are too short for me on my 358 Norma build. Measuring some different rounds right now and then will lengthen throat based on this.

I did the same on my 35 Whelen. SAAMI specs were short. Optimized for a 225 gr TSX at 3.320" at .030" off the lands.


Well, I finally made my OAL gauge tonight and measured the following bullets:

225 gr TSX
250 gr Northfork
250 gr Partition
250 gr Oryx
275 gr Woodleigh
275 gr Northfork

The SAAMI specs work for all the bullets except the Northforks. I would have to length the throat .015-.020" depending on the gr to be .010" off the lands at the very top of the pressure bands.

The other bullets have plenty off room off the lands. I target .010" for standard bullets, .030" for solids/Barnes. I'd have to seat the TSX deeper than I normally do, but it would work.

So, going to start my load development now and try to get a good 250 gr Oryx load.

Starting with RL16.


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31 March 2018, 11:42
+Templar+
Excellent info, that helps me out. I’m wondering how a 280gr A-frame would measure up?

I’ll be interested to know your velocities and accuracy you get during load development if you don’t mind sharing.




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01 April 2018, 09:41
Austin Hunter
quote:
Originally posted by +Templar+:
Excellent info, that helps me out. I’m wondering how a 280gr A-frame would measure up?

I’ll be interested to know your velocities and accuracy you get during load development if you don’t mind sharing.


will do. I have a 26" Barrel.


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