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Partition vs Barnes x
18 October 2009, 22:30
sakoPartition vs Barnes x
I am hopefully going for Caribou hunting next fall and i was wondering wether to use 165gr partition or 180gr barnes triple X in my 300 win mag!
Both bullets will do fine i know but witch would you rather use?
Why only these 2 you might ask, simply becuse i have a box of each
18 October 2009, 22:43
filmitYou won't go wrong with either choice so I'd pick whichever shoots better in your rifle.
18 October 2009, 23:46
Dr. Louquote:
Originally posted by filmit:
You won't go wrong with either choice so I'd pick whichever shoots better in your rifle.
I agree with filmit! I am using the 180 TTSX in my 300 WBY - however, I haven't had the chance to use it on anything but paper. Lou
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19 October 2009, 00:09
900 SSIf it was me the choice would be either 168 TSX or 180 Accubond.
19 October 2009, 00:39
grizz007I'd opt always for the Barnes in my .243------drops Caribou quite fast with minimum meat damage.
19 October 2009, 01:15
mstarlingI'd do the choice in two steps:
1) Does the rifle shoot either a lot better than the other at the expected range?
if not:
2) At what ranges are we likely to connect? If the bullet velocity is likely to drop below abt 1800 fps ... I'd go with the Partition.
Up close, the Partition will open faster than the TTSX. Is meat damage a consideration?
Mike
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http://www.mstarling.com 19 October 2009, 01:28
phurley5Pick the one that shoots best in your rifle, with will do the job once it gets there. Good luck and good shooting.
phurley
19 October 2009, 05:00
Mike_DettorreUse the Nosler..they have better ball caps. Then you can take the pic with the right ball cap for the bullet.
Those Barnes ball caps don't look that good.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
19 October 2009, 05:29
dwheelsI beg to differ on the caps Mike I have a new one for the military Law enforcement line of Barnes bullets that says something to the effect of; Barnes Bullets, taking care of terrorism one bullet at a time. It's black, has the right shape, What more could you ask for? DW
19 October 2009, 09:12
filmitI also have a pretty good looking barnes hat so I change my previous statement. Shoot the barnes. It doesn't hurt that their new factory is just over the hill from me.
19 October 2009, 09:31
rolltopSome great humor here.
I'll vote the Partition!
19 October 2009, 13:48
accitI used a TTSX 180gr in .300 Win Mag on a Kudu last month, just over 50yds, perfect expasion, entered frontal chest passed through the stomach, bullet was found under the skin.
Used a hornady 180gr at 50yrds on a warthog, that was a mess.
I can email the pic of the barnes, can't upload.
19 October 2009, 20:59
cmfic1Although I think highly of both, I'd use neither. IMO you dont need the toughness these two bullets offer.
Last year I travelled to the NWT & shot 2 caribou. I loaded up 165 Accubonds(1st animals for me with this bullet)in my 300 Win Mag @
just shy of 3200fps, one bull @ 200 +/- yards the other at a lasered 406 yrds. Both dropped to shoulder shots DRT. Obvious complete pass-throughs with no recovery.
Caribou are not "tough" animals, I've been involved with about 30 caribou kills, all were killed very easily.
Next hunt for them I may take my 7mmSTW with Bergers, see how that set up will be.
Rod
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19 October 2009, 22:40
sakoThanks for the posts all.
The rifle i will use is a Sauer 202 with a Khales 3-12x56 scope and with the bullets ive tried nothing has gone over an inch at 100m yet so im hopeful that both of these will group well, guess i need to load em up and head to the range!
As to the toughness of these bullets thats why i want to use them, caribou aint a tough critter and a 300 win mag with a soft bullet can make a damn good mess if the bullet hits a bone on the way in..
I doubt ranges will go over 200m possibly 250m but most likely will be around 100m!
How was the meat damage with the accubonds Rod?
19 October 2009, 22:52
cmfic1quote:
Originally posted by sako:
As to the toughness of these bullets thats why i want to use them, caribou aint a tough critter and a 300 win mag with a soft bullet can make a damn good mess if the bullet hits a bone on the way in..
How was the meat damage with the accubonds Rod?
Damage was pretty much In & Out, a little blood shot on the 200 yard shot. In regards to "
a 300 win mag with a soft bullet can make a damn good mess if the bullet hits a bone on the way in" I drilled both these bulls dead center of the shoulder.
Needless to say, from penetration to meat loss I was/am thoroughly impressed with the AB on my 1st try with them.
Rod
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"A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong"
Bob Hagel
19 October 2009, 23:09
k-22hornetBarnes for me, but I'd use the 168gr.
20 October 2009, 04:00
Ingvar J. KristjanssonHi Sako,
I used the 180 gr. Accubond in my 300 win mag on reindeer hunt this fall. The range was 242m and the animal was DRT, excellent bullet performance, one hole in and out...no meat loss at all.
20 October 2009, 05:56
ar coreyquote:
Originally posted by 900 SS:
If it was me the choice would be either 168 TSX or 180 Accubond.
+2
The 168 TTSX has a great B.C. and many have reported that it shoots better than the 180 TSX in their rifles.
20 October 2009, 07:41
Dark Helmetquote:
Originally posted by 900 SS:
If it was me the choice would be either 168 TSX or 180 Accubond.
+3
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20 October 2009, 23:25
Bear in FairbanksI'm an unabashed Nosler Partition slut. Never could see the need for something without lead and I've shot a few caribou.
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21 October 2009, 05:34
FjoldWhen I went to Africa I took two bullets, the TSX in my 375 and the Partition in my 300 WSM. I would feel comfortable using either one.
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30 October 2009, 22:17
thinkingmanBarnes for accuracy.
Caribou are not that tough.
30 October 2009, 22:42
AkshooterId go with the 180gr accubonds thats what works really well in one of my .300's in the other I shoot 200 gr.
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31 October 2009, 00:18
jerry mcdonald200gn partitions, or 180gn ttsx, In case You run into big bear. I always hammer up for the biggest or meanest critter I may unexpectedly encounter, even when hunting something smaller.
31 October 2009, 05:21
jorgeWhichever one your rifle shoots best. All things equal, I think I would go TSX or TTSX. Full disclosure, I've never taken a caribou. Good luck, jorge
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31 October 2009, 05:37
BradI've taken animals bigger than Caribou with each, I'd take the Nosler Partition every time over the TSX/TTSX.
31 October 2009, 05:43
DavidReedPartition - Day in and day out they work.
31 October 2009, 08:31
GeedubyaI shoot both. I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I think most folks go down in bullet weight with Barnes X and up with Nosler Partitions and Accubonds.
However, as to the caps, I'm with Mike,
I think the Nosler Cap looks better
than the Barnes cap.
But opinions are like noses, every one has one and most of them smell.
GWB
31 October 2009, 17:29
DMBNosler Partitions have served me and my kids well for many years.
I've never shot one Barnes bullet, except for some heavy weight 7mm bullets years ago, weighing 195 grains.
I read good things about the Barnes bullets you're considering, but I'm not swayed into buying them.
We'll stick with a proven killer, the Partition.
31 October 2009, 17:46
jro45I would take the Partition the Barnes X could kill as well as the partition. Witch ever your rifle likes the most.
31 October 2009, 20:18
SWDEither would work great for caribou. Bergers would also be worth taking a good look at.
31 October 2009, 23:09
LBGuywhen i lived in alaska i usually used 130/150gr corelokts or partitions in my 270 win for everything (caribou included). of the 2 you mentioned, i'd suggest the partition. after all, they've been effectively killing everything on the continents since 1948.
