HI all.

I am a fan of the old 8mm.
Have a combi in 16/70 and 8x57IRS.

But, how about the 8x60S vs the 8x57IS?
The x57I maybe have more brass around.

Yes, I know they are "just" the same as the 30-06, but I like the old German calibers.

What to go for today?

8*57 easy access of factory ammo or 8*64s a modern round, harder to get factory ammo.

Thanks.
Yes, you have a point.
But, how about the 8x60s? Hard to get, if one can, any ammo?
Also, the 8x57IS is close to, or maybe just the same as a 8x60S, or?

Z1R has a lot of experience I believe with the x60 why not PM him?

8*60 was made for the ban of 8*57 after ww1 to rechamber mausers to a legal caliber.

Prvi partizan makes ammo.

http://www.prvipartizan.com/rifle.php

Thanks for the information.

I've owned three Brno's in 8x60S over the years. Still have RCBS dies and RWS brass. Load data is just shy of published 8mm-06. Great cartridge. Makes better use of a standard Mauser action than the 8x57

Kurt,

this round interests me. pics? reports? loads used?

I know several fellows who live in Switzerland and do alot of hunting in France who use this cartridge. Exactly for the reasons that Nordic 2 stated; to avoid 8x57IS chambering.

I've only shot one several times but shoots nice, accurate and doesn't bowl you over backwards, sorta all the attributes a vanilla-flavored .30/06 Sprg. or 8x57IS based cartridge has already.

If there would be one drawback it would be finding factory ammo or cases at most gunshops; if you can control your own logistics chain, then you're set.

Here's a pre-war 8x60S BRNO that I got from Kurt C.


http://i37.photobucket.com/alb...zen/Brno8x60S005.jpg

absolutely lovely!

This was my first and still my favorite. It came to me as an abused 8x57 with excess headspace & setback. The lug seats were repaired, receiver carburised, and the chambered reamed to 8x60. It is a light and lively rifle that hits like the hammer of Thor.



The barreled action was another I chambered for a friend also in 8x60.

These are Woodliegh round nose 220's (or 250's) on a stripper clip. I alwsys used IMR 4350. Start with a load halfway between the 8x57 and the 8mm-06.

Here is my 8x60 with 26 inch barrel. Very accurate and very easy to load for. Brass can be made from 06 and I did not discern any difference from factory.

For being a Restriction limiter, ie, When they were banned from making the 8x57IS after Ww1, and came with the 8x60. they got a German version of the .318 Wr , and that aint such a bad way for a round to go.

There were even made side by side rifles and combos in it also . Look up Bengt Berg and his rifles, he had some barrelsets for them in 8x60 was the rifle barrel.

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Originally posted by Gerry:
I know several fellows who live in Switzerland and do alot of hunting in France who use this cartridge. Exactly for the reasons that Nordic 2 stated; to avoid 8x57IS chambering.

I've only shot one several times but shoots nice, accurate and doesn't bowl you over backwards, sorta all the attributes a vanilla-flavored .30/06 Sprg. or 8x57IS based cartidge has already.

If there would be one drawback it would be finding factory ammo or cases at most gunshops; if you can control your own logistics chain, then you're set.

I wonder if one of them sold his 8x60S ZG47. I bought it in Switzerland complete with wooden block mag restrictor to single shot and a lot of 'patina' that showed it had obviously been used with a metal ruck sack etc in the mountains.

I have shot 200gr partitions at 2,600fps using H380 data extrapolated from 8x57 and 8x64 data. It's accurate, hard hitting, doesn't hurt me like my 9.3x62 and so rare!

Our very own MHO sourced new RWS brass for me which is so good I merely load it and seat with a spare 8x57 seater I have. I never knew Privi did ammo - I will try to source some.

Was the 8x60 a result of restrictions after WWI, or after the second Boer war in Africa?

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Originally posted by ColoradoMatt:
Was the 8x60 a result of restrictions after WWI, or after the second Boer war in Africa?

WWI

The Treaty of Versailles severely limited the amount of military ammunition that Germany could manufacture and keep on hand. This meant that what little 8x57 that was permitted would be reserved for the military.

The simple answer from Mauser was to create the 8x60. Since it wasn't a military cartridge, it was exempt from the restrictions.

In other words, 8x57 rifles weren't banned, it was just that 8x57 ammunition wouldn't be available for sporting use.

rant

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Originally posted by z1r:
The barreled action was another I chambered for a friend also in 8x60.

Mike, I still have it too. I will stock it some day soon, load up a bunch of ammo, and maybe even take a road trip north. Life's been a long wild ride since we got this action put together but I think things are finally starting to slow down and allow for some proper gunsmithing.

-Jason

Does a standard Mauser built for 8x57 need anything done other than rechambering to properly feed 8x60? Thanks.

No other work needed.
After rechambering it works perfect.

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Originally posted by heavenknows:
No other work needed.
After rechambering it works perfect.

Most of the time. In the event any adjustment is needed it is typically minimal.