My Granddad, who started me hunting had a model 70 in 270. I Idolized him. So that what I bought for my first deer rifle. It works just like he said it would. Its killed all my deer but one and the only elk I have shot. All but one were bang flop. The one that didn't fall dead at the shot just stood there for 2-3 seconds then fell dead. DW

Absolutely nothing! As is the case with a whole slew of cartridges from 257 to 308.

Personally, I am a big 270 fan, but smart enough to know that argueing between most cartridges is something to do in between hunting seasons and akin to a dog chasing it's tail.

Shoot what you like, like what you shoot,
and realize that shot placement relegates all other discussions to secondary importance.

Since I never had the chance to meet Elmer Keith or Jack O'Connor I will not comment on either.

I have read both, and would rather read O'Connor than Keith. JOC IMO was a much better writer. Doesn't mean he was always right, just a better writer.

IMO the 270 is the only perfect caliber

25 calibers are too small
260 rem is weak
7-08 is not a long distance shooter
280 doesn't have any good factory loads
7 mag is a lot of blast and recoil
30-06 is too slow and not a flat shooter
300 win mag is too much recoil (for some)

The 270 has no detriments, lots of good factory ammo, flat shooter, good sectional density & ammo available everywhere.



Now if you reload the 280AI is the perfect caliber.

A 30-06 is too slow? The 30-6 can shoot 150 grainers to 3000+FPS that's faster than the 270. If a 300 Win kicks too much then don't give it too the women and children, save it for the men.
Why can't the 7-08 shoot to distance, this I gota hear

I suppose my primary complaint is that I don't have one ;-)

Cheers,

Dan

quote:

What's Not To Like About The 270 Winchester?

I've never read a single word by Jack O'Connor.
Yet I'm overwhelmed with the gag reflex upon hearing anything about thee 270Win. I have no rational reason why. The same goes for Rooger.

Perhaps it's because I have found other choices that were better for my needs.

quote:

Originally posted by jwp475:
A 30-06 is too slow? The 30-6 can shoot 150 grainers to 3000+FPS that's faster than the 270. If a 300 Win kicks too much then don't give it too the women and children, save it for the men.
Why can't the 7-08 shoot to distance, this I gota hear

I'd like to hear that one myself.

.27 ? Is that big enough to be considered a medium bore??

quote:

25 calibers are too small

Too small for what?

PS: great job of stirring the pot, Woods!

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
IMO the 270 is the only perfect caliber

25 calibers are too small
260 rem is weak
7-08 is not a long distance shooter
280 doesn't have any good factory loads
7 mag is a lot of blast and recoil
30-06 is too slow and not a flat shooter
300 win mag is too much recoil (for some)

The 270 has no detriments, lots of good factory ammo, flat shooter, good sectional density & ammo available everywhere.



Now if you reload the 280AI is the perfect caliber.

if there were rewards for the best stirring of the pot.....this post wins hands down!

I own 2 rifles in 270 but always find myself reaching for my 6.5 x 55 or 7 x 57. Here in the east, the 270 really can't play out its advantage and I suspect even out west the number of 300+yd shots are few.

This is all about emotional choices..not about ballistics...for the most part.

JWP475: I can get 3,000fps with a 150 grain bullet and Accurate 3100, out of my 24" 270. That said, the pot really is boiling!! LOL

Just to show how fair I am, these are what I own on the 06 case now: 6-06,6.5-06, 270, 30, 338-06, and 35 Whelen. No 7mm's, but that is just coincidence. I have shot something meaningfull with all of them. You choose the best one, impossible. But my favorite is the 270, with the 35 Whelen and the 30-06 just a hair behind!

Jerry

Stir away!!

Well it was getting a little dull around here.

Made a few of you sit up in your chairs and pay attention!

But it's just like good humor, there is always a little truth in the mix!

My experience with the .270 is very long and extremely thin. I got my first one back around 1973 or maybe it was 1975, I don't remember for sure. I took two beer with it that year using factory 130 gr. bullets. i was not happy with the meat destruction. I was talking with the faather of a good friend who was a .270 anatic and he said just use 150 gr. bullets. That was all he used. Well, I loaded up some 150 gr. bullets but for some reason, never shot anything bigger than a coyote until last August. I took a play for pay antelope hunt (my first ever guided hunt) in New Mexico and decided to use the .270 as it had such a good reputation for antelope. I loaded up some Sierra Game-King 150 gr. bullets to 2930 from a 24" barreled Winchester M70 XTR that was very accurate and took that for the hunt. My back up rifle ws a Winchester M70 Featherweight XTR in 7x57 with 140 gr. ballistic Tips loaded to 2800 FPS. The first day out, not 15 minutes after legal light I had my animal down. Range was about 75 yards and I could have just as easily taken it with an iron sighted 30-30 and cast bullets. My friends father was right. Those 150 gr. loads didn't mangle up a lot of good eating meat.
That Winchester was my fourth .270. I still have the one I bought all those years ago and have since picked up a Ruger #1A and a commercial FN sporter stamped as being made in 1951. The first .270, also an FN was probably made in the early 1970's. Funny thing about those .270's. None of them have ever been lousy shooters except the #1. I bought it used and whoever owned it before me had done some bedding work (the wrong way) on the forearm. I was able to fix it and at least make it a 1.25" gun. Some people should not be allowed to work on guns.So what are my thoughts on the .270? It's a nice cartridge that does what it's supposed to do. I don't know why I ignore it to the extent I do and maybe that makes me wrong. I certainly can't complain about accuracy, or recoil, and none of the rifles weigh a ton. I just don't know? I may use it again this fall if I'm lucky enough to draw a der tag. I sure didn't for elk for the 6th year in a row. It depends on where I draw, if I do draw.
Paul B.

Paul:

I know your pain, on the elk tag draw, here in Arizona. But this year, I got a cow tag/muzzel loader hunt in unit 8 near Williams. Last time we were there, and this ought to send some of the boys who think you need a 338 on elk to the moon, we killed 2, bang, bang. The load 2 pellets of Triple 7, with a 300 grain Barnes sabot, at about 1650 fps. Both dead at the shot.

Jerry

270 still rules, LOL

I have never owned a 270, most likely never will..

Anything I could do with a 270, I have done with a 308 WCF...

But that does not take anything away from a 270.

It is a great hunting calibre.

quote:

Anything I could do with a 270, I have done with a 308 WCF...

True, and the reverse is true, at least from a practical hunting standpoint.

It has worse BC than similar weight bullets in 264 and 284.

Well I have somethin in every caliber from .223 thru .311, and some get used a lot some don't. In the most used are both the .270 Win, and .308 Win.

This isn't due to anything in particular about the bullets fired simply they are tools which get used for the job at hand. The .270 weighs about 7.5 pounds and is the second most accurate factory rifle I have. With just about every load I have tried it has easily put nice 1" or less groups down at 100 and sometimes even 200yds. With it's 22" barrel, and lighter weight it doubles as a stalking rifle as well as a nice compromise on the open pastures we also hunt. The 130gr loads I have used, have dropped everything I have ever put them on, if not on the spot within only a few yards, at ranges from a few feet to out past 400yds. I have never had an issue with meat damage that some report, but I shoot loads and bullets for the typical areas I hunt. In thicker woods I know shot will be short so I use a lower end load, than when sitting on an open pasture. The lower end load shoots a 130gr Nosler BT, or Solid Base to about 2700fps at the muzzle and groups around 1" at 200yds. The open area load runs a Hornady SST to just over 3000fps and is just as accurate.

With the .308, it has a 16.5" barrel weighs in at 6.5 pounds fully loaded and is easily tucked into the fold of an arm for easy thick river bottom stalking. I simply shoot factory Remington or Feder 150gr ammo from it. They both group as good or better than any handload I have worked up so for the prices I have found them I buy 5 or more boxes of it when I catch it on sale. It has also accounted for a few shots on feral hogs out to 400yds with the right conditions. This said most of the shots with it have been less than 40yds which is what it was purchased for.

Do I feel better with one over the other, nope. They will both drop anything I will ever draw a bead on, and will do it with power to spare in most cases.

If I were to have to thin the barn down to one caliber, I would most likely go with the .30-06. Not that it has anything over any of the others in power or ability to kill, but simply due to the fact I have enough brass and bullets from when my pop was alive to probably last me the rest of my hunting time.

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
IMO the 270 is the only perfect caliber

25 calibers are too small
260 rem is weak
7-08 is not a long distance shooter
280 doesn't have any good factory loads
7 mag is a lot of blast and recoil
30-06 is too slow and not a flat shooter
300 win mag is too much recoil (for some)

The 270 has no detriments, lots of good factory ammo, flat shooter, good sectional density & ammo available everywhere.



Now if you reload the 280AI is the perfect caliber.

if there were rewards for the best stirring of the pot.....this post wins hands down!

I don't know why you say that! It seems perfectly reasonable and absolutely accurate to me.

quote:

if there were rewards for the best stirring of the pot.....this post wins hands down!

quote:

I don't know why you say that! It seems perfectly reasonable and absolutely accurate to me.

One stirs....the other adds fuel to the fire....

quote:

What's Not To Like About The 270 Winchester

These tyope of threads!!!!!!

Look JWP475, we all need something to do. You can't have a discussion about the 270 without stirring the pot, and a lot of folks enjoy the banter. Heck we might even learn a thing or 2.

I can't believe anybody who does a significant amount of shooting, and owns a number of hign power rifles, could "knock" any cartridge, if it goes bang. If it goes bang, it has a purpose!

Jerry

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
IMO the 270 is the only perfect caliber ...

Hey Woods, I had no idea you were into shooting Coyotes. Which is pretty much all a 270Win is good for.

quote:

Originally posted by Hot Core:

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
IMO the 270 is the only perfect caliber ...

Hey Woods, I had no idea you were into shooting Coyotes. Which is pretty much all a 270Win is good for.

Hey HC, you're right it is a perfect caliber for shooting coyotes! Also for shooting Whitetail, Speedgoats and Mulies. An adequate caliber for shooting Elk. A little overkill on Prairie Poodles.

But still no other caliber has absolutely no detriments, so it is the only perfect caliber.

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
...Also for shooting Whitetail, Speedgoats and Mulies. An adequate caliber for shooting Elk. ...

quote:

Originally posted by Hot Core:

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
...Also for shooting Whitetail, Speedgoats and Mulies. An adequate caliber for shooting Elk. ...

Hey there little buddy good to see that you are posting again.

Go ahead and visit the thread where you post all of YOUR elk hunting experience.

Respectfully yours.

no detriments...?

The 300 H&H is the only Elk cartridge I know of with absolutely NO detriments. Hunt by yourself, 220gr bullets = perfection. You own a good one, it's all you need except for the African Big Three or anything else in the world.

Rich
DRSS

As much as I hate to agree with ISS, I am on my fourth P-64 Mod. 70 in .300H&H and while I have not killed heaps of Elk, I have lived among them in both BC and Alberta all of my almost 64 years and witnessed scores of kills with many cartridges. So, he is about 99% correct and the old "Super .30" is about as close to "perfect" for Elk as anything available, given that you use a decent bullet and a Nosler 200 or 220 PT. is also close to "perfect".

I find the .300 H&H much nicer to shoot than the .300 Weatherby, which kicks me harder than any of my beloved .338WMs do and mine have shot groups both "freehand" and from the bench that amazed me. Helluva good choice for Elk and anything else, here in BC, IMHO.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Jack O'Connor admitted to being a baby girl about recoil. He said in print it was as much recoil as lots of folks could tolerate and shoot accurately.
Regardless of the actual cartridge, it put you in the sissy category to even admit knowing someone who owned one.

That, and the fact that he mostly got guide & outfitters to take him hunting in exchange for free writeups in the magazines he wrote for. They mostly carried a large caliber magnum rifle in case lil jackie made an oops.

Nobody, including lil jackie ever told how many of the big game animals he shot were killed by him. Read what he wrote, he talks mostly about shooting things.

People in Idaho who knew or knew of him had quite a different opinion of his prowess than Easterners. He was mostly magazine...

Rich
DRSS

Rich,

Assuming we are still friends, that puts you in the sissy category because the 270 Win is by far my favorite caliber for hunting any animal this side of eland. I have used one or another for the last 51 years and have taken literally hundreds of animals with them ranging in size from moose down to duiker. I have used one in Africa, Alaska, Yukon Territory, B.C., Alberta, Mexico and in at least five states.

O'Connor wasn't any worst then any other writer of the time. I could say negative things about him or Elmer Keith. Both of whom I knew reasonably well, but I won't because I respect both men and it would serve no useful purpose to do so. Jack was very friendly to me and put up with a kid asking questions and he gladly showed me some of his rifles one spring afternoon. One thing he could not tolerate was stupidity. Say something stupid and in his own unique way he would set you straight. I don't think he ever herd the term "politically correct". Elmer was the same way. A very friendly mentor to me especially when it came to helping me purchase and reload double rifles. Elmer actually thought and said in print that he preferred the 270 Win to the 30/06. He also told me one day while we were out on a mule deer hunt that he thought my 270 was ok for elk if I used Nosler Partitions and was careful on shot placement.

465H&H

What all you Elmer Keith and Jack O'Conner sons of bitches need to bear in mind is that both of these bastards are sitting up in that happy hunting ground, far, far away, enjoying a drink together - even perhaps as we speak!



friar

quote:

Originally posted by TEANCUM:

quote:

Originally posted by Hot Core:

quote:

Originally posted by woods:
...Also for shooting Whitetail, Speedgoats and Mulies. An adequate caliber for shooting Elk. ...

Hey there little buddy good to see that you are posting again.

Go ahead and visit the thread where you post all of YOUR elk hunting experience.

Respectfully yours.

Interesting that you know more about it than Elmer Keith!

465H&H

What's not to like about the 270? Not much. Although if you necked it up to 308 it would be perfect.

quote:

Originally posted by SDhunter:
Absolutely nothing! As is the case with a whole slew of cartridges from 257 to 308.

Personally, I am a big 270 fan, but smart enough to know that argueing between most cartridges is something to do in between hunting seasons and akin to a dog chasing it's tail.

Shoot what you like, like what you shoot,
and realize that shot placement relegates all other discussions to secondary importance.

Even with the idiot vs intelligent- ratio beeing so bad, sometimes somebody smart say something.

quote:

Originally posted by Jerry Eden:
Demonical: I really like your discription of Alberta being on the Western Border of Canada. I have been up there a couple times, as I have relatives there, Calgary. You guys are like us here in Arizona, we unfortunately border California!

Jerry

Only problem with that is that Canada gets better the further west you go, and that doesn't stop with Alberta!

Oh yeah, and my two favourite rifles are old model 70s in 27WCF.

It is pretty hard to top Alberta!

Why is it the .270 crowd is the only one that has to get together every so often for a group hug of reassurance that they haven't let nostalgia over ride their search for a decent cartridge? Like, for instance, the .280 or 7-08?

quote:

Originally posted by dwheels:
My Granddad, who started me hunting had a model 70 in 270. I Idolized him. So that what I bought for my first deer rifle. It works just like he said it would. Its killed all my deer but one and the only elk I have shot. All but one were bang flop. The one that didn't fall dead at the shot just stood there for 2-3 seconds then fell dead. DW

While not quite as versatile as .30-06 it's fine hunting cartridge.

Ok lads, the title to the post was "whats not to like about the 270 WIN" in which case i have nothing to say.....enough said! :-)