Third outing w the 264 WM

24 February 2025, 06:03

LHeym500

It got up to 48 today. So, I grabbed a few .264 WM rounds w 130 grain Accubonds.

Wife set up 4 milk jugs and 3 tea jugs at 200 yards. When she got back I busted all 4.

The Garmin Xero velo Average was 3149.6, Standard deviation was 38.6.

Seven shots were
3141.8
3119.1
3193.7
3183.8
3076.8 (low) really busted things
3150.2
3181.7

If it stays warm, I am going to walk it out to 400.

24 February 2025, 06:20

Jayhawker2022

Sounds like you are starting to get it dialed in.

I have been meaning to play with those 130 AB’s.

Right now I’m still fooling around with 130 TSX and having good results.

24 February 2025, 07:08

LHeym500

Pig hunt down on my Alabama cousins’ farm in April, and then off to N. Italy for Chamois.

Why the Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bad Moon Rising reference?

24 February 2025, 08:50

Jayhawker2022

I am jealous of your hunts this year.

I only get whitetail and maybe Texas hogs.

It’s probably the best lyric of any of their songs. And I always liked it.

24 February 2025, 10:24

LHeym500

No need to be. Someone is always doing something else.

I prefer Guy Clark.

I Have Seen the David. Hmmm, Seen the Mona Lisa Too, and I Have heard Doc Watson Play Columbus Stockaid Blues. So, Forgive Me All Anger, Forgive Me All My Faults. There Is No Need to Forgive Me For Thinking What I thought. I Loved You from the Get Go. I’ll Love You till I Died. I Loved You On the Spanish Steps the Day You Said Goodbye.

Or

Luerco

When You Found Me in the Fire I Was Drinking Kerosene. Sticking Matches as the Flames were going Higher. No Way You Could Get to Me. But You Found Away, You Found Away for Me, To Find My Way to You.

Or Jason Isbell

I broke a promise to myself to ride the throttle till the wheels came off, to burn out like a Molotov in the night ski. I broke a promise to myself. And made a couple to a brown eyed girl. Who rode with me through the mean old world, never say die.

We could keep going.

When I am driving back from my diy hunts out west, I call Becca and play Colder Weather from Zack Brown Band over the speaker.

Jackson Browne wrote These Days at 16 as a member of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

Don't confront me with my failures
I had not forgotten them

24 February 2025, 15:28

p dog shooter

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
It got up to 48 today. So, I grabbed a few .264 WM rounds w 130 grain Accubonds.

Wife set up 4 milk jugs and 3 tea jugs at 200 yards. When she got back I busted all 4.

The Garmin Xero velo Average was 3149.6, Standard deviation was 38.6.

Seven shots were
3141.8
3119.1
3193.7
3183.8
3076.8 (low) really busted things
3150.2
3181.7

If it stays warm, I am going to walk it out to 400.

That well kill a lot of game.

24 February 2025, 22:16

Mike_TX

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:

Wife set up 4 milk jugs and 3 tea jugs at 200 yards. When she got back I busted all 4.

Now that's a good woman!

25 February 2025, 01:50

LHeym500

She is the best. She tommyhawked her first pheasant this year, high, fast and crossing away after I missed it twice.

Would not trade her for all the oil in Texas.

26 February 2025, 18:23

Stonecreek

quote:
The Garmin Xero velo Average was 3149.6, Standard deviation was 38.6.

Seven shots were
3141.8
3119.1
3193.7
3183.8
3076.8 (low) really busted things
3150.2
3181.7

Powder and charge?

26 February 2025, 19:45

LHeym500

This batch of 7 were ramshot lrt right out of the Nosler manual.

26 February 2025, 23:33

Jayhawker2022

If you do a lot of whitetail hunting the Nosler 120 BT is a hammer on deer. Two of my hunting partners use them out of a 264 WM and they are devastating.

27 February 2025, 00:03

LHeym500

The smallest cartridge, bullet by caliber and weight I have ever used is a 7mm/08 w 140 grain ballistic top at the sedate 2770 fps, and 270 Win w 140 grain Accubonds full price on velo.

This will be the smallest caliber I have ever used.
Now, I live Accubonds in my 270. I am a little worried the 130 grain bullet is not a lot of mass. I look at them sideways, but I do not see it has a dedicated elk rifle. I know it will break any deer, boar, chamois, and pronghorn it is pointed at.

I honestly bought it as a middle finger to the 6.5 Creedmore.

27 February 2025, 02:28

crbutler

It will work fine.

I’d avoid the Accubond long range bullets as they are a bit soft (my .26 is the Nosler cartridge as far as hunting goes) but they have pretty good sectional density. (Different than the plain accubond)

How much does the rifle weigh? To me it sounds like you want it for mountain game with chamois?

I’m in your boat of thinking it’s light. I know that the Nordic types use the .26 bullet for moose, so I’m sure it works intellectually- but for things bigger than deer I like .30 on up- even though I’ve killed eland with a 7 Mauser.

27 February 2025, 03:28

theback40

I have a 264 mag that has shot whitetail, muledeer, pronghorn and caribou. I never count amounts of game I've shot, but the numbers would be very large. One load, 70 grns of IMR 7828 and the 120 grn Nosler solidbase. I throated the chamber to seat the bullet out to take advantage of the magbox length.I luckily have a good supply of the solidbase bullets. Always exits on broadside and quartering shots.
The 3250 fps it gets, is matched by my 6.5 Gibbs and almost by my 6.5/284.

27 February 2025, 04:42

Jayhawker2022

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
The smallest cartridge, bullet by caliber and weight I have ever used is a 7mm/08 w 140 grain ballistic top at the sedate 2770 fps, and 270 Win w 140 grain Accubonds full price on velo.

This will be the smallest caliber I have ever used.
Now, I live Accubonds in my 270. I am a little worried the 130 grain bullet is not a lot of mass. I look at them sideways, but I do not see it has a dedicated elk rifle. I know it will break any deer, boar, chamois, and pronghorn it is pointed at.

I honestly bought it as a middle finger to the 6.5 Creedmore.

IMHO you are correct in not using it as an Elk rifle. Could it do it using heavy for caliber bullets?it could in the hands if a skilled marksman and hunter which I am positive you are on both counts. But why would you, when you have so many better options available.

You are also correct in saying the 6.5 Creedmore needs all the middle finger it can get.

27 February 2025, 04:43

Jayhawker2022

I really miss those SB bullets and was not smart enough to stock up on them when they were being discontinued.

27 February 2025, 06:17

LHeym500

Jayhawks you might want to look at the North Fork SP. I have not killed anything w them, but they are heavy jacketed, long solid shank with just a bit of lead in them. I have a few 140 grain loads. If I had to shoot an elk w a 264 WM, I would use those.

27 February 2025, 08:04

Jayhawker2022

I have thought about my 264 for elk with the 156 Norma’s.

That will have to wait.

About 2 months ago at an auction here I picked up that odd 35 caliber rifle that no one makes any factory ammo for.

You might be familiar with it

27 February 2025, 08:30

LHeym500

Tell me it is not, by that I mean tell me it is, a 350 Griffen and Howe/350 HandH.

27 February 2025, 09:29

Jayhawker2022

It is not.

Bit it makes 358 bullets go really really fast.

27 February 2025, 16:16

theback40

The 120 grn 6.5 bullet has a SD of a 165 grn 30 cal. The 140 SD is that of a 250 grn 35 cal.
If you need more penetration for elk, go with a better constructed bullet, not a longer one.
Elk have been killed with a 270 for a hundred years now, Bullets have got tougher, the elk have not.

27 February 2025, 16:46

Jayhawker2022

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
The 120 grn 6.5 bullet has a SD of a 165 grn 30 cal. The 140 SD is that of a 250 grn 35 cal.
If you need more penetration for elk, go with a better constructed bullet, not a longer one.
Elk have been killed with a 270 for a hundred years now, Bullets have got tougher, the elk have not.

While the 270 has killed elk for almost a century now I have never considered it a proper cartridge for elk as there were no heavy for caliber bullets.

My opinion on that has cha fed with the release of the 160 NP and the 165 AB.

I may even get around to working up a load for them this fall if there’s time.

27 February 2025, 17:21

theback40

Jay, how can 10 grains more bullet weight, from 150 to 160 Nosler make it a better killer?

27 February 2025, 17:21

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
It is not.

Bit it makes 358 bullets go really really fast.

Either STA or 358 Ultra.

In the STA I like 270-280 grain bullets.

27 February 2025, 17:45

Jayhawker2022

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
It is not.

Bit it makes 358 bullets go really really fast.

Either STA or 358 Ultra.

In the STA I like 270-280 grain bullets.

STA.

I bought some assorted 225’s and 250’s to start with.

I’m thinking a 275 in the 2600-2700 range might be the ti ket.

27 February 2025, 20:46

LHeym500

I killed a Red Stag Bull, big Cow elk, a nice 13 pointer whitetail, mouflon with my STA.

I have used two bullets: 280 grain Swift and 275 Woodleigh Weldcore pp.

Everything was pass through an and drop to the shot with violent exit wounds.

The cow elk exited the off hip angling in. The shot was not perfect, made the cartridge and bullet made it perfect. The lungs blew out the exit wound.

Everything went about 4 feet. 4 feet strat down.

It is my favorite.

I got them up to 2800 w a 24 inch barrel, but have settled in at 2750.

That cow elk is also my longest shot at 318 yards. She took the hit, shutterd, and stated hobbling away. I was about to send the second when it collapsed front legs and head first.

When I stated walking to her, she did get up, but a head shot was the end of that.

The buck, I was just off the top of a ridge. He came pushing a doe out of a creek bottom. I hit him just off the shoulderblade angling down. At impact, it looked like he had been smashed w a deee sized frying pan going flat on his side. The off side leg was held on by only skin. I do not like to track.

The mouflon went straight in the air and came back down stone dead. Never kicked when he touched earth. That was a good thing, because we were in a steep spot.

The Red Stag bull was the last day he came busting out, and I slammed him through the shoulderblades and he came down.

27 February 2025, 20:55

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
Jay, how can 10 grains more bullet weight, from 150 to 160 Nosler make it a better killer?

I mean I do not think there is much difference there, but I do think 130 is a little light on mass and momentum needs mass.

We need to know more about this STA.

27 February 2025, 22:41

Jayhawker2022

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
Jay, how can 10 grains more bullet weight, from 150 to 160 Nosler make it a better killer?

I mean I do not think there is much difference there, but I do think 130 is a little light on mass and momentum needs mass.

We need to know more about this STA.

No idea who built it or what components were used.

26” stainless barrel with brake. Unknown manufacturer.

Browning Safari action.

Lightweight stock tut feels like a Bansner.

Found dies online.

Already have 8mm Mag brass.

I was thinking of 158 or 180 gr pistol bullets for funsies on coyotes this summer.

27 February 2025, 23:38

LHeym500

Quality Cartridge had STA brass right now.

I just bought 200 pieces.

28 February 2025, 01:14

Jayhawker2022

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
I killed a Red Stag Bull, big Cow elk, a nice 13 pointer whitetail, mouflon with my STA.

I have used two bullets: 280 grain Swift and 275 Woodleigh Weldcore pp.

Everything was pass through an and drop to the shot with violent exit wounds.

The cow elk exited the off hip angling in. The shot was not perfect, made the cartridge and bullet made it perfect. The lungs blew out the exit wound.

Everything went about 4 feet. 4 feet strat down.

It is my favorite.

I got them up to 2800 w a 24 inch barrel, but have settled in at 2750.

That cow elk is also my longest shot at 318 yards. She took the hit, shutterd, and stated hobbling away. I was about to send the second when it collapsed front legs and head first.

When I stated walking to her, she did get up, but a head shot was the end of that.

The buck, I was just off the top of a ridge. He came pushing a doe out of a creek bottom. I hit him just off the shoulderblade angling down. At impact, it looked like he had been smashed w a deee sized frying pan going flat on his side. The off side leg was held on by only skin. I do not like to track.

The mouflon went straight in the air and came back down stone dead. Never kicked when he touched earth. That was a good thing, because we were in a steep spot.

The Red Stag bull was the last day he came busting out, and I slammed him through the shoulderblades and he came down.

Good to see another hunter that thinks 318 is a long shot.

02 March 2025, 05:20

LHeym500

Well, I did not get out to 300-400 today, but I got Wife to set a bottle of Bailey’s Irish Cream at 210.

It was very windy, but on of the advantages of needing a haircut is you can call the wind, and when it stops w your hair.

Anyway, I vaporized the bottle. At the shatter, the world smelled like God turned on a Bailey’s Cream scented air whisk.