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Remington or Savage??
15 May 2004, 23:36
sakofanRemington or Savage??
Need some guidance. Want a new rifle in .308, and have narrowed it down to Rem. or Savage.
Remington VS L/H
Savage Series 12 L/H (Accutrigger)
Always been a Remington guy, but love the way Savages shoot out of the box. And now with the advent of the Accutrigger, I am very tempted to go that route.
This rifle will be used later as a bench gun, and like the way the Rem. actions are easy to work with.
Either way, I'll finally have a left handed rifle!!
Really have my heart set on the Remington, but got no beef with Savage Arms...sakofan..TIA
15 May 2004, 23:50
280AckleyrizedI took the savage plunge. To me the accu trigger sucked. Just couldnt get used to it. Too much movement. I sold it and went back to the remmy. I dont deal with out of the box rifles. I either buy customs or have em built. The remington by far has the most aftermarket potential. There is a lot of stuff now avaliable for the savage but I just couldnt justify putting money into it. And on top of it all, the savage has that ugly barrel nut. But if ya want to work up a savage check out Sharp Shooters Savage Specialties. They work on nothin else and their work is supposed to be top notch. Prices aint bad either. They do make their own trigger assy. which I would reccomend over the accu joke. They also rebarrel and make their own syn stocks. So its up to you. For me it would be the 700 hands down. But thats just my opinion.
16 May 2004, 06:18
Major CaliberThe barrel nut is a lovely thing on the Savage, easy to switch barrels.
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For me it would be the 700 hands down. But thats just my opinion.
Hi, have you any experience of thr Sako 75 Varmint? how does it compare with the 700
16 May 2004, 10:41
Jay GorskiMark, The VS will shoot as good as anything out there, provided you use match ammo for a comparison, the VS will consistantly shoot in the 4s with 168MKs and such. Go to
www.snipercountry.com and check out Mike Miller's test of this rifle, well, I'll tell you, the best group he got was .217" with Varget and 168MKs, 1/2 moa rifle, easy. If you want a nice trigger, get yourself a Jewell, or I can send you my instructions for the Rem. trigger, if you need them. Some Rem. triggers I can get down to 19-20oz., safely. Jay
16 May 2004, 11:08
Lawdog_GaryI too took the Savage plunge, a M10 in .270 WSM. You know what? Everything they say about the Savage is true. Out of the box accuracy beats what the other companies are offering. The AccuTrigger is easy to adjust and works just as they say it will. Go ahead and get a Remington and then start putting more money into it by adding after market items just to get it to shoot as well as the Savage does out of the box. Guess that is why they call Remington the big green machine as they keep you putting more green(money) into them to get them to shoot. Go with the Savage and you'll be money ahead. Lawdog
16 May 2004, 11:39
Jay GorskiIf you get the Savage, you'll need a new stock, they are crap from what I saw and handled, the Remington will need no aftermarket parts, HS Precision stock kicks ass, the trigger is great if you adjust it to a decent weight, no problem for me, Jewell trigger is just a nice touch if you want to use it as a bench gun, factory trigger is easily adjusted to 2lbs. Then all you have to do is mount your Conquest on that puppy, and your all set. No aftermarkets parts needed. Jay
16 May 2004, 15:43
sakofanThanks fellas. Jay, I saw Mike Miller's review at Sniper Country. Thats what got this train rolling.
The VS is shooting in the .4's huh?? Is that a .308, Jay?
If it is as easy to handload for and shoots as good as my Sendero, I'll be more than happy.
I cant seem to get motivated on the Savage. I am not knocking them. I know they are super accurate most of the time. That action is rough as hell, and they are just not as streamlined as a Remmy....sakofan...Thanks for all the feedback guys.
16 May 2004, 15:58
mr308wingo with the savage. mine are lefties too. have 2 rems, 2 savage. yes the stock is crap on the savage, but the gun is so good it still out shoots my remingtons. I do not know why people do not like the accutrigger, its the best thing since sliced bread. All you do is squeeze the trigger, lightly. unlike the remys.My next factory rifle will be another savage in .223. i like my bullets to go in 1hole.
16 May 2004, 17:24
bowhuntrrlI bought my first Savage last year just to see what they were all about. ALmost any load I've put through it so far shoots between .5-.75" MOA. This is in a .300 Ultra Mag. My best group out of it so far is .428" . Tjis is with a 150 gr at 3450 fps!!! This was only the third load I tried. The stock is usable and if you don't like the flex in the forend, it can be easily fixed by bedding a stiffener in the channel below the barrel.I haven't found the need to do that yet. Either that or do what I did on my second Savage(liked the first one so much), get one with a laminated stock or the LE model with the tactical stock. You can't go wrong for the money. I just hope my new one in .270WSM is a shooter too, since I haven't shot it yet.
bowhuntr
16 May 2004, 18:21
280Ackleyrizedcant answer that one. I do not deal in factory guns. period. I either buy customs or have them built. And every one I have shoots tiny groups. I am sure the sako is a fine rifle. I just dont shoot 'em. All my rifles are biult on the 700 action. And with the results I get I have no reason to even consider any thing else.
17 May 2004, 01:27
sakofan280, you hit on something, that sways me to the Remington.
I dont want a tacticle rifle, BR rifle, or a standard hunting rifle, but I want the qualities of all 3.
If I wanted a tacticle rifle, I would get a AI or HD Rifle.
BR rifle would probably be a Cooper or some custom.
Hunting rifle would be anougher Sako, no doubt.
I want a knock around, LR hunting rifle, that I can shoot small holes off a bench or bipod....left handed.
Later on, I can rebarrel, restock, tune action, and have a full blown custom rig from said rifle.
The Remington is the logical choice because of availabilty of aftermarket parts. The 700 is the action of choice for most custom rigs to boot.
Iam sure Savage fans will say that the same can be said about their rifles, which is probably true.
But, the biggest asset that the Savage has is the barrel.
Whatever rifle I get, after a so many rounds(depending upon accuracy) I'll get a aftermarket barrel anyway. The barrel will be the first thing that goes on any rifle I get. If I get a Savage, the stock would be the first thing to go.
I like the HS stock on the Remington's....sakofan..Lots to think about.
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I dont want a tacticle rifle, BR rifle, or a standard hunting rifle, but I want the qualities of all 3.
If I wanted a tacticle rifle, I would get a AI or HD Rifle.
BR rifle would probably be a Cooper or some custom.
Hunting rifle would be anougher Sako, no doubt.
Thanks guys, however this is the UK here, there simply isn't the level of custom gunsmithing here that you have in the USA. Money is also a factor here. A custom rifle here say that AI tactical would cost nearly $4000 plus scope. AN Ackerly in .223 could cost $8000 by the time youv'e scoped it up.
So what I want is the best all round rifle from the box at around $2000, but that's $2000 to spend here not in the USA. Heavy barrel so it is ok on the range, reliable, & accurate from the box.
17 May 2004, 10:15
Lawdog_GaryWho wants a plastic or laminated stock on a rifle. Stick with good old natural wood. It has worked for hundreds of years and still works today. Lawdog
17 May 2004, 11:51
Major CaliberQuote:
Who wants a plastic or laminated stock on a rifle. Stick with good old natural wood. It has worked for hundreds of years and still works today. Lawdog
Why would you want one of them new rifles with the brass cases! You should use a black powder flintlock like they used for hundreds of years!!!!
17 May 2004, 13:27
sakofan"Diamonds are forever, but so is plastic!"...sakofan..I love synthetic stocks and stainless barrels!!!
Jay
I just picked up a M700P yesterday...the trigger was 7.5 lbs from the box!
It was no problem getting it down to 2lbs, but there is enough creep that it almost feels like a 2-stage!
If I run the overtravel screw in further to take up the slack, the rifle won't fire.
Any hints how to get that creep out, short of buying a new trigger?
I used the instructions from
www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html to adjust the trigger.
Thanks,
Tim
17 May 2004, 14:28
mr308winshould have bought a savage with the great trigger.
17 May 2004, 20:20
Cupped_N_FallinDid'nt he ask about a Remmy and a Savage?? Reaad the post!!
Major Caliber- When you switch the barrels don't you still have to check proper headspace and all with the Savages??
DuB
700 all the way!!!
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Did'nt he ask about a Remmy and a Savage?? Reaad the post!!
Major Caliber- When you switch the barrels don't you still have to check proper headspace and all with the Savages??
DuB
700 all the way!!!
To achieve proper head space with the Savage, You screw the barrel down on an empty case. Then tighten the barrel nut and you're ready to go shooting. That's one of the nice things about a Savage. 
If you'd have asked me a few months back, I would have screamed Savage. After reviewing a trio of Savage heavy barrel model 12's, I'd go with Remington. That's a big step for me, because I've had a lot of trouble with Remmy's in the past. Of the last 5 varmint rifles that have gone though our hands, the Remington's have shot much better. Only one of the three Savages would shoot decent no matter what we tried, as far as tweaking goes.
Now, why wouldn't you consider the Ruger target rifle, we've seen some pretty good shooters in this rifle around here.
18 May 2004, 12:14
<allen day>Of those two makes, I'd go Remington 700 everytime, only I'd look for an older M700 built before the late 1980s....
AD
I've been mulling this one over for quite a while. Finally settled on Savage. I want a 338 WM, but Remington seem besotted on their stupid ultra mags. Also, I prefer the Savage safety.
Robin
19 May 2004, 06:11
mike_elmerRobin,
Great choice!!!! I have 2 Savages for varmints, and I couldn't be happier. If I do my part, they surely do theirs. Keep us posted as you shoot her in.