Re: "Quiet" Muzzle Brakes--any such thing?

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08 October 2004, 04:22

<eldeguello>

Re: "Quiet" Muzzle Brakes--any such thing?

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Is there really a muzzle brake that doesn't increase the blast to bystanders? I've heard that the Vais brake is quieter than most. Also, anyone used the VA Comp from BP Tech? Theirs is expensive, but if it works as advertised, I'll spring for it. Any help would be appreciated.

There may be some designs that aren't as bad as others in this respect, HOWEVER, by the very nature of HOW recoil is reduced (by redirecting gas flow direction), they have to give an increase in blast over a plain barrel in which the gas goes out to the front! Otherwise, there is no recoil reduction.

08 October 2004, 03:47

glichti

Thanks for the input.
Regarding mercury recoil reducers, I intend to install one of those as well, but I want as light a rifle as possible. Glad to hear they work well.

Regarding the BP brake, they direct sound/blast straight up--not to the sides, so it is at least conceivable that they work as advertised. If you have shot one, please chime in.

Lastly, GOOD LORD, let's not start advocating banning muzzle brakes or anything else firearm related! We're the only ones who will stand up for ourselves.

09 October 2004, 11:25

Lawdog_Gary

cropduster,

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The question I have for them is this have you shot the B.P muzzle brake or not ???

Yes I have fired a rifle with a B P brake(M70 Win. .458 Lott). And even the folks at B P will tell you that their brake redirects the sound and that it does increase it. And the gases are not just directed straight up but up and back. Try letting one f your friends shoot your rifle prone while you are standing slightly behind and see what it fells and sounds like. I checked out muzzle brakes before I got my .416 Rigby and I am glad I did. I fired my .378 Weatherby before installing a C&H Research mercury insert and the difference is remarkable. On my .450 Rigby the insert makes the rifle balance way nicer, as far as I am concerned, as well as taming the recoil. Personally I would rather have what hearing I have left after 30 years as an LEO I have lost enough. Lawdog

10 October 2004, 04:22

AnotherAZWriter

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most impressive leader I have ever met, BTW.

That Sir, Is why the Army gave you a 1St.Sgt.

Respectfully, Russ

Well, I often think how lucky I was to get the best. I learned a lot from him and think about how selfless he was very often.

I still remember what I wrote in his first EER: "It has has been nearly a decade since I first stood on the Plain at West Point, and during that time I have seen many impressive soldiers of all ranks, but none have impressed me as much as 1SG Carron."

The Army has a good system in which officers get linked with NCOs as their "right hand man." You only have to be smart enough to take advantage of it to be successful.

10 October 2004, 05:36

RussB

"The Army has a good system in which officers get linked with NCOs as their "right hand man."..."

Yes Sir! A great system!

Having completed a few "Morning Reports" myself in my own 23 years of service, I think 1SG Carron was lucky to have a CO with the insight, and modesty, you display... It takes two, to make that "system" work.

Respectfully, Russ

I apologize for being off topic, but some things do need to be said.

The subject of a "quiet muzzle brake" is "quite interesting", as I have heard of such things from some very reputable people, and I do believe they may exist.

Being retired from the Army, my hearing went south...years ago. Once it's gone, it's gone! Hearing aides are a misnomer for those of us who shoot and hunt. I would suggest we pay attention to this topic. There is some good information here.

Russ

08 October 2004, 06:47

djpaintles

Please excuse me if my sarcasm made it seem that I would advocate another gun related ban, I certainly don't. I was trying to point out that a silencer/suppressor is more useful for hunting and saving shooters hearing.
If you don't mind wearing hearing protection while hunting I guess a noisy muzzle brake may be OK if you aren't capable of handling the recoil of an adequate hunting caliber. But I do feel that most people would shoot better with a 270 than a WhizbangMuzzleblaster with a noisy brake that recoils like a 270. I find muzzle blast to be more objectionable than recoil in most cases. So if you are recoil sensitive practice enough to shoot well with a lighter caliber and you'll probably kill cleaner than with a gun that feels like cherry bomb going off in front of your face.
I've been lucky enough to shoot a couple dozen different muzzle brake designs, physics are physics they are all louder than rifles without them..............DJ