To those who still want an LBT mold..

09 April 2003, 10:12

<HHI 812>

Veral told me to officially let you know he is going to start making molds. I got him to get online, and an e-mail, and so he will be working on that as soon as he can. In the mean time, will try and send out some info. For those who still have his old brochures, they will be basically the same, but he will be doing only pistol bullets for now. Prices for a double cavity will be $85, and a 4 cavity at $125. You can mail in your order, and help him out on shipping. Please mail orders or questions to him, and please do not call on phone. Hopefully he gets hooked online soon. He said he is not real smart on the computer, but has a computer. I'll scan his old brochure for now, until he has his updated one. He will be sticking to his standard configurations as far as LFN, WFN, WLN etc. Again, please mail in your questions and orders only. Don't want to take his machine time with phone calls. He was considering creating a web site, but being that he is having to start from scratch, will have to be at a later time. I asked him to get hooked up with Paypal, to speed some things up, and he definitely doesn't want to do credit cards. So spread the word! Thanks, Dennis

09 April 2003, 11:51

Jim in Idaho

quote:
Originally posted by HHI 812:
You can mail in your order

Address?? Or is it the same Moyie Springs address in the old catalogs? I have four of his molds, had five but stupidly sold a 260 grain .44 WFN to Brian Pearce (yes, the gunwriter. Damn persistent gun show dickerer if I do say so myself. [Smile]

Anyway, this is GREAT news!

09 April 2003, 14:45

Still Crawfish

boy I would sure be intrested in a 250g-265g in .411-.412 WFN or WLN but ADDRESS PLEASE!!!!!! can't write if I don't know snailmail. [Confused]

10 April 2003, 02:01

Josh Tharpe

I still have some of the original materials he sent out -- I will have to re learn what everything is -- I too think that a .4105 0r 411 would be great -- plain base I think --think maybe around 230 gr. WLN? I want a large hole-- Tenn deer are small and like to run --I found three small bucks this past year that had been hit and lost--two of them was by accident were not looking for them -- the other I was looking for as my oldest prodigeny had hit it with a 180 Bt from his 338 -- it only went about 50 yards. anyway LBT sounds good to me in my fav son the .41

10 April 2003, 07:34

Paul H

WFN (wide flat nose)is meplat .090" smaller in dia then bullet dia. WLN (wide long nose) is same meplat, but longer nose. LFN (long flat nose) is meplat .130" smaller in dia then bullet dia. There were also some designs with in between meplat dia's, but I don't recall what the nomenclature was.

There were some other variations as well, but those are the primary ones. There is also certainly confusion with others offering his designs, but straying somewhat from the definitions.

Some gun writers have made the blanket statement that WFN's only shoot when launched at a minimum speed of 1200 fps. I say horsepucky, as I had ballisticast make me a .475" 460 gr WFN, and it is very accurate at 1050 fps from my SRH.

Cannon has tested that bullet out at long ranges, and says it starts to fly wild at ~175 yds, so it isn't the best long range target bullet. That wasn't the purpose I had for the mold, so not a failure of the design.

11 April 2003, 03:20

Josh Tharpe

thanks for the info --I did not remember the differences in the designs the LWN sounds good ( I am still looking for the old material I had from him--I found some of it)-- maybe even more weight -- and then do I want a gas check?? Ahh choices choices [Razz]

Are there any stability factors with the LWN? The reason I thought about the gc is my .41 Redhawk is not cast bullet friendly --and I have been casting since the late 70s- my .41 DWA is very cast friendly but neither of .41 RHawks have been- and I have tried and tried-- in the past the gc has been helpful with other guns-anyway I will give him a little time to settle in while cogitate- what ever the final choice -- it will be fun

11 April 2003, 04:54

Nathan Detroit

Gentlemen,

A fellow list member, Speedwayrobert, just posted a phone number that he was given to enable him to order a new LBT catalog. I just checked this newly released phone number against the one on my last 1998 LBT catalog. They are the same numbers. My guess is that if Veral is still using the same phone number, then he has the same mailing address as listed in his last catalogs:

LBT
HCR62, Box 145
Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845

Nathan Detroit

11 April 2003, 05:54

<HHI 812>

I don't know how to post photos or scans, but e-mail me at dmadriaga@ascg.com and I can send directly to you. Thanks, Dennis

11 April 2003, 07:17

Jim in Idaho

I have a feeling ol' Veral is going to be up to his neck in new orders pretty soon. [Smile]

Part of me wants to say "shhhh!", don't tell anybody about this - that way I can get my orders in first and get them back fast. [Smile]

11 April 2003, 10:42

Paul H

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Tharpe:
thanks for the info --I did not remember the differences in the designs the LWN sounds good ( I am still looking for the old material I had from him--I found some of it)-- maybe even more weight -- and then do I want a gas check?? Ahh choices choices Are there any stability factors with the LWN? The reason I thought about the gc is my .41 Redhawk is not cast bullet friendly --and I have been casting since the late 70s- my .41 DWA is very cast friendly but neither of .41 RHawks have been- and I have tried and tried-- in the past the gc has been helpful with other guns-anyway I will give him a little time to settle in while cogitate- what ever the final choice -- it will be fun

The only disadvantage of gas checks is they add cost, and time to make bullets. I can't think of any disadvantage to going with a gc mold. One other option is to get a plainbase mold, and load gas checks backwards into the case under the bullet. You kind of get the best of both worlds with this approach, cheap plainbase bullets for the guns that like them, and gas checks for the guns that don't.

Check the cast bullet board for my thread on why you should protect your chronograph from errant inverted checks though [Frown]

11 April 2003, 16:14

fredj338

There area a couple of moulds I would like to hace. Is there an e-mail address or snail mail address? I would like to get a list of moulds.
thanks

11 April 2003, 16:30

Josh Tharpe

Hi Paul--can i assume you gas checked your chrono? The only mold i have currently that is gas checked is a .45 and i use hornady crimp on--so far no problem but I will protect my pact screens---normally I use plain base-- with good results -- I have found a couple of loads that are acceptable at 25 yards with leadhead 230 Keith- I plan on trying them at 50 yards maybe to morrow-- as to the cost Lyman gc's are about 22-23.00 per 1000 it adds only a little over .02 per bullet not too bad -- I aim for the very best accuracy I can-- my Stainless Steel Redhawk will almost shoot one hole with 200 Rem jhp at 25 yards-- my DWA will do this with good cast bullets so I want my Rhawks to do the same and there in lies the fun --btw the ss Rhawk is scoped-- I can not see that good

12 April 2003, 06:45

Paul H

Josh,

Yup, done killed the chrony with an errant gas check. The worst part is I had figured it would happen, and cut a piece of lexan to put in front of the chrony, but I left the tape in the truck, and decided to chance it.

My 480 shoots one hole groups at 25 yds, I have to move out to 50 to do meaningful load work up. The gun has really spoiled me as to revolver accuracy, and it's a factory gun!