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22 December 2018, 18:44
Bill/Oregon
Heavy cast loads for the 1911
Curious who has worked up loads for the 1911 using cast bullets running 250-255. I have the Lee 452-255-RF mold to cast for .45 Long Colt, and it looks like it would feed through my Ruger Commander.


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22 December 2018, 19:05
packrattusnongratus
I have a similar bullet in 45 super loads from Buffalo Bore. Haven't used them in 1911 but in a Block with extended barrel and heavy recoil spring and guide, it works. Never tried a standard load with that bullet in the 1911. Be Well, Packy.
22 December 2018, 21:31
TX Nimrod
I tried that very bullet in my M457 years ago. It shot okay over 7.0 grains of AA-5. That was a standard pressure load. I occasionally had a FTF so I went back to jacketed bullets. A 1911 may feed it just fine.

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22 December 2018, 22:35
Bill/Oregon
Thanks TX.


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23 December 2018, 04:38
p dog shooter
I use a 255gr swc 452 hard cast at 875fps using Herco.

No pressure signs. Most likely could go a bit higher that bullet at that speed should penetrate well.

Shoots well out of SR1911s and my P90.
23 December 2018, 07:36
Lamar
Herco would be a good choice, I use Unique.
24 December 2018, 23:16
TCLouis
Could one find a satisfactory load with 571/HS-7 for this heavy bullet loading?



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25 December 2018, 02:43
p dog shooter
I only find loads for 571 for under 230grs bullets

I find a HS7 load for a 260gr bullet at 9.3grs in my lee manual.

I would use that as is with a 255 bullet.
25 December 2018, 03:55
Palladin8
I have a Lyman 255gr SWC mold that I have loaded up a few in ACP to see how they work from my Revolver but not from my 1911s. Pretty stout loads though. Now for all my 45ACP I use the RCBS 230gr Cowboy bullet. Works like a champ out of my two Kimber 1911s and my 45 cal revolvers.
29 December 2018, 05:20
kaytod
255 gn LEE RNFP
5.5 gn Unique
757 fps from Colt 1911 Gold Cup.

Taper crimped behind the crimp groove.
22 January 2019, 08:40
SFC Hulka
While I have found some great accuracy with cast bullets in .45 ACP, for me the cost savings and difficulty wasn't worth the trouble - plus all that indoor smoke from vaporized lube. I'll stick to cast for the revolvers and jacketed/plated for the self-loaders.
16 January 2021, 06:24
Bill/Oregon
Well here I am in the new year with a Springfield XDm in .45 ACP and no ammo, so I have to work up a load with the Lee 255 and Universal Clays or just say bang.


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16 January 2021, 08:11
NormanConquest
Bill, I'll be happy to send you a box of my loaded cast 230G. w/ blue dot but that is a temporary fix, but it will buy you a little time. Let me know, I'll be glad to do it, Amigo.


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16 January 2021, 16:34
Bill/Oregon
Randy, thanks for your generous offer. Check PMs.


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16 January 2021, 20:38
p dog shooter
I just stepped back inside from shooting my XD5.25. With a lead 185gr SWC over green dot.

With my big snow banks I can stand on my plowed drive way and almost shoot 360 degrees.

Another plus it is easy to find and pick up brass.

Of all my 45acp pistols I find my XD to be one of the nicest shooting ones.
16 January 2021, 22:01
paul105
This has worked in every .45 Auto I've tried it in (S&W M&P45 FS, HK, Dan Wesson full size 1911, Kimber commander size, Ruger LW CMD) except the Kahr CW45. The Dan Wesson owner was particularly impressed.

Finished chronographing and had 4 left.


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Would use these with discretion to prevent excessive wear.

FWIW,

Paul
16 January 2021, 23:00
p dog shooter
That is a nice looking cartridge
22 January 2021, 05:06
Bill/Oregon
I had issues with my slide being about 2 millimeters shy of going into battery with these test loads with the Lee 255 over 4.5 of Universal. I sized them to .452, and they likely should be .451 and seated just a smidge deeper.



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22 January 2021, 16:14
p dog shooter
quote:
I had issues with my slide being about 2 millimeters shy of going into battery with these test loads with the Lee 255 over 4.5 of Universal. I sized them to .452, and they likely should be .451 and seated just a smidge deeper.


I would agree that is a flat fat bullet not normal .45acp fare.

Looks like a good bullet if you can get them to feed and function in a auto
22 January 2021, 18:14
Bill/Oregon
P. Dog, I ran 20 through the XD yesterday. Recoil was stout, similar to the Federal HST +P rounds I was testing. With about half of them, the slide failed to go fully into battery -- maybe by 2 mm -- and I had to slap the back of it to seat the bullets fully. Examination of one round showed the bullet ogive engaging the rifling just forward of the case mouth, so I will try seating them just a smidge deeper. My sizer is .452; sizing to .451 might have helped as well. I did not put them on paper -- just shot offhand at a 50-yard gong. Keep in mind the XD has a total of less than 50 rounds through it so far.



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22 January 2021, 22:37
p dog shooter
I have got by loading 255gr 452s SWC in my 45acp's.

I had some problems loading 315gr WFNs into the mag of my 44mag Ruger model 96 carbine.

I had to seat them just a little bit deeper.
24 January 2021, 17:21
Bill/Oregon
Seating them a bit deeper seems to have solved the feed/battery issue. Now to try a larger sample.


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25 January 2021, 07:23
TCLouis
Paul105
Did you use extra power recoil springs with the 255s?



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25 January 2021, 20:54
paul105
quote:
Originally posted by TCLouis:
Paul105
Did you use extra power recoil springs with the 255s?


No. Very limited use. If I planned to use continuously in a 1911, I'd install a flat bottomed firing pin stop and if not enough, I'd experiment with heavier springs.

FWIW,

Paul