broke in new toy

11 December 2011, 06:02

cottonstalk

broke in new toy

Well got a chance to hunt a little this afternoon and took out my new to me Ruger in 45colt,that I purchased to add to my 45 collection.It was cool today and I weren't sure with the moon and all if I'd even see anything but you never know.I heard some movement when the wind finally decided to lay and before I knew it there was a doe standing on the old logging deck I was hunting.I never had a chance to do anything but pick up my binos.She weren't sure about what she was looking at but it weren't right to her so she eased off the deck while looking back and here came another big doe,and she quickly followed the first.When the coast was clear I could here another coming,and being they were coming from the beaver pond,I assumed it was another doe,as there is usually 5 or 6 that hang right tight together in that area.I eased the hammer back and pulled the sights up and sure enough out walks another deer,right by a bush I had previously ranged with the laser at 110yards.I eased the sights up and squeezed,the colt barked,the deer kicked,and had trouble keeping its chest off the ground as it left the deck.I kicked back and replayed the seen over and over in my head.The shot felt good,and it appeared as though the hit was solid.After last shooting light had gone,one of the young men that hunts with me came to me and we eased up the deck by the bush where the deer had been.After a little looking,blood.As we eased off into the timber more blood.As the trail continued the blood began to get more,and more and you could almost trail at a run.Then it stopped.I was standing on a trail and in most instances the deer should have kept on it or be laying in it.We backed just a little and off the trail there he lay.I never paid attention to anything but my sight picture at the shot.It turned out to be a buck we were trying to take out of the herd anyway.We loaded him up,took a pic or two and headed out to get him ready to be eat.

11 December 2011, 06:04

cottonstalk

11 December 2011, 06:23

Whitworth

Nice work, cottonstalk!! Congratulations, my friend!!

11 December 2011, 06:26

pattersonj11

Nice work from a fellow North Carolinian.

11 December 2011, 10:32

mete

Very nice !

What bullet ? That's good range for iron sights.

12 December 2011, 19:52

Lar45

Excellent job!
Gratz

12 December 2011, 21:26

Redhawk1

Way to go..

12 December 2011, 22:15

swampshooter

Nice, congratulations.

13 December 2011, 04:13

jwp475

You are a pistol shooting deer killing machine

13 December 2011, 07:51

juanpozzi

nice revolver i believe a ruger bisley the favourite of Ross Seyfried congratulations and this revolver will soon be in my arsenal too.

13 December 2011, 19:27

cottonstalk

Mete the load was 255gr cast over 20gr of 2400.Thanks for all the compliments.

13 December 2011, 20:41

Whitworth

quote:
Originally posted by jwp475:
You are a pistol shooting deer killing machine

+ 100!

17 December 2011, 07:13

TCLouis

WTG

18 December 2011, 01:18

df06

Which Ruger 45 C is that? I just bought one like that with a 5.5 inch barrel. It looks like your barrel is longer. Have not shot mine yet. Having some trigger work done on it.

18 December 2011, 05:47

cottonstalk

It is a blackhawk w/ a 7 1/2" barrel I installed a bisley grip on it.

18 December 2011, 18:27

bfrshooter

Good shooting my friend! On top of that, some good eating too.

19 December 2011, 01:44

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Good shooting my friend! On top of that, some good eating too.

One shot 45 Colt and not in the magic velocity range, who'd a thunk it

19 December 2011, 18:24

bfrshooter

quote:
One shot 45 Colt and not in the magic velocity range, who'd a thunk it

_________

It is John, too fast with hard lead is not. Now you know expansion is needed each side. Yet, slow is better then fast with hard boolits.
Alloy my friend, not what gun you shoot.
What is better then a .45?
I wish we could call a truce and be friends again. My velocity range is based on very hard lead.
Are we OK?

20 December 2011, 06:03

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
quote:
One shot 45 Colt and not in the magic velocity range, who'd a thunk it

_________

It is John, too fast with hard lead is not. Now you know expansion is needed each side. Yet, slow is better then fast with hard boolits.
Alloy my friend, not what gun you shoot.
What is better then a .45?
I wish we could call a truce and be friends again. My velocity range is based on very hard lead.
Are we OK?

I have never ever experienced anything remotely like you describe.

20 December 2011, 07:36

maxenergy

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:

It is John, too fast with hard lead is not. Now you know expansion is needed each side. Yet, slow is better then fast with hard boolits.
Alloy my friend, not what gun you shoot.
What is better then a .45?
I wish we could call a truce and be friends again. My velocity range is based on very hard lead.
Are we OK?

this don't make an ounce of sense to me. now why would a hard bullet not work at higher speed? they don't stop doing damage cuz their going faster. odd

20 December 2011, 09:17

bfrshooter

They don't. Whitworth seen it when I shot a deer with my 45-70 and hard boolits, WLN and the same with a WFN that I thought would work better. I lost several deer with double lung shots and the one Whit helped find went well over 200 yards. Lungs were intact with just a hole.
Going to a softer boolit or a hollow point solved it.
Slow the same boolit and it does more internal damage. It is why the .45, .44, 475 and .500 JRH all work so well. The same hard boolits shot fast from a .454, .460 or .500 S&W will not work as well and some expansion is better.
Compare it to shooting game with a full metal jacket with a 30-06.

20 December 2011, 14:21

jwp475

You are as full of it as a Christmas over-stuffed turkey.

This deer ran and he was shot with a 338 Lapua.

Entrance

exit

The internals were simply turned into soup and this deer ran and left no blood trail.

I shoot HARD CAST BULLETS and the wound channel is excellent without regard to any BS magic velocity.

20 December 2011, 15:03

maxenergy

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
They don't. Whitworth seen it when I shot a deer with my 45-70 and hard boolits, WLN and the same with a WFN that I thought would work better. I lost several deer with double lung shots and the one Whit helped find went well over 200 yards. Lungs were intact with just a hole.
Going to a softer boolit or a hollow point solved it.
Slow the same boolit and it does more internal damage. It is why the .45, .44, 475 and .500 JRH all work so well. The same hard boolits shot fast from a .454, .460 or .500 S&W will not work as well and some expansion is better.
Compare it to shooting game with a full metal jacket with a 30-06.

sounds like a load of crap. sounds like your shot placement wasn't good and not a case of too much speed or a too hard bulet.

20 December 2011, 15:10

Whitworth

I wouldn't attribute this to too much velocity. There is no science to back up the assertion that flat-nosed, hardcast bullets driven over a threshold velocity of 1,350 fps, simply poke holes in flesh. Got to agree with maxenergy here that it sounds like a shot placement issue. Remember that every animal is a law unto itself. Some expire quickly, and in other cases it takes a few hundred yards and a bucket full of lead for the message to reach their brain.

My .500 Linebaugh kills like the hammer of Thor at 1,100 fps (at the muzzle, not impact velocity), and I can assure you it needs no expansion to "do work."

20 December 2011, 22:59

jwp475

bfr, shooter Cootonstalk doesn't shoot his 45 Colt in the "so called" "magic veloctiy" range and he put deer and black bear on the ground like magic. So much for your logic or should I say non-logic

21 December 2011, 03:05

cottonstalk

Not again with this majic velocity! hammering

I very seldom push any of my loads over 1250fps. My deer taken earlier this year was at a lowly 1000 maybe 1050 at the muzzle in the 475L. I have taken deer and bear with a 265gr hard cast barely making 920fps with the 45 colt. As long as they keep dropping, I ain't buying into the 1350 kool-aid,sorry.

21 December 2011, 18:52

bfrshooter

quote:
Not again with this majic velocity! hammering I very seldom push any of my loads over 1250fps. My deer taken earlier this year was at a lowly 1000 maybe 1050 at the muzzle in the 475L. I have taken deer and bear with a 265gr hard cast barely making 920fps with the 45 colt. As long as they keep dropping, I ain't buying into the 1350 kool-aid,sorry.
You are doing right, forget the comments.
To compare a .338 Lapua to a revolver---well!

"How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live"

21 December 2011, 20:55

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
quote:
Not again with this majic velocity! hammering I very seldom push any of my loads over 1250fps. My deer taken earlier this year was at a lowly 1000 maybe 1050 at the muzzle in the 475L. I have taken deer and bear with a 265gr hard cast barely making 920fps with the 45 colt. As long as they keep dropping, I ain't buying into the 1350 kool-aid,sorry.
You are doing right, forget the comments.
To compare a .338 Lapua to a revolver---well!

"How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live"

Are you an idiot??? I did not compare a 338 Laupa to a revolver. I showed proof that no matter how much power or damage done an animal may still run and if it runs does not constitute a problem with cartridge or bullet.

Why do you insist on being so obtuse

Also you posted your reply in Cottonstalk's quote and very few will even see the absurdity

21 December 2011, 21:29

bfrshooter

Why do you get angry and call names? Of course I agree because more deer are lost here with 7mm and 300 mags then any other gun.
That has nothing to do with actual shown internal damage between different alloys at different velocities.
Can I just ask a simple question? If I give you a very hard WLN or WFN boolit. What velocity would you shoot a deer with? 1000 to 1400 fps or 1600 to 1800 fps?
Don't bring in rifles or expanding revolver boolits, just a straight answer.

21 December 2011, 22:06

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Why do you get angry and call names? Of course I agree because more deer are lost here with 7mm and 300 mags then any other gun.
That has nothing to do with actual shown internal damage between different alloys at different velocities.
Can I just ask a simple question? If I give you a very hard WLN or WFN boolit. What velocity would you shoot a deer with? 1000 to 1400 fps or 1600 to 1800 fps?
Don't bring in rifles or expanding revolver boolits, just a straight answer.

I shoot HARD CAST bullets, meaning 22 to 24 Brinnell. It matters not how fast they are driven as to weather are not they will kill effectively or not, within reason of course. As long as a wide meplat bullet goes through the vitals the game is over.
I have taken deer with handguns in 45 caliber with velocities from 900 FPS at the muzzle to 1400 FPS and they all worked to perfection. The only limitation is the bullet deforming if driven too fast. They don't stop doing damage because they are going over the magic velocity mark.

If you do not want an animal to run then shoot "high shoulder" or central nervous system and they will fall straight down

All else is BS

Act like an idiot and I will point it out

21 December 2011, 23:04

bfrshooter

Entirely correct. I can not argue with you. That is perfect.
The only time I will not agree is when you take the hard boolit over 1400 fps with a double lung shot on a deer. That is where I want some expansion. 1600 is a hole punch.
All will work with a CNS or double shoulder hit.
I hate to ruin shoulders, I like the meat. Best BBQ ever.
Try this and stop blowing up shoulders.

21 December 2011, 23:06

bfrshooter

What is wrong with photoshop???? wrong picture.

21 December 2011, 23:08

bfrshooter

Best BBQ sauce ever and a shoulder is great.

21 December 2011, 23:26

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Entirely correct. I can not argue with you. That is perfect.
The only time I will not agree is when you take the hard boolit over 1400 fps with a double lung shot on a deer. That is where I want some expansion. 1600 is a hole punch.
All will work with a CNS or double shoulder hit.
I hate to ruin shoulders, I like the meat. Best BBQ ever.

This is where you start to expound BS. The faster a bullet is driven the more hydraulic pressure that is created.

Shoot a Punch bullet that actually will not deform and the faster the bullet is driven, the more the damage that will be done to the lungs with a broad side lung shot. The added hydraulic pressure will do a number on the lungs -- this is an irrefutable fact.

All science, common sense, and field evidence show that you are incorrect.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

22 December 2011, 01:49

Swede44mag

Congrats on the Deer one heck of a good shot.
I haven’t shot one with a pistol in several years. I got one with a 454 & one with a 44mag. The 454 was about 50 yards we had to track it for a couple hundred yards. The bullet was a (if I remember correctly) 250gr XTPmag at 1600fps. The 44mag was at 15ft at 1200fps with a 240gr XTP it went about 10ft. Both were shot behind the shoulder about 6inches down from the top of the back.
Never could figure how one deer shot in the same spot would run so far and the other drop dead in its tracks.

26 December 2011, 23:05

bfrshooter

quote:
Posted 22 December 2011 00:49 Hide Post
Congrats on the Deer one heck of a good shot.
I haven’t shot one with a pistol in several years. I got one with a 454 & one with a 44mag. The 454 was about 50 yards we had to track it for a couple hundred yards. The bullet was a (if I remember correctly) 250gr XTPmag at 1600fps. The 44mag was at 15ft at 1200fps with a 240gr XTP it went about 10ft. Both were shot behind the shoulder about 6inches down from the top of the back.
Never could figure how one deer shot in the same spot would run so far and the other drop dead in its tracks.

Swede

It is what I said. Bullet/boolit hardness and velocity. Expansion, no expansion, energy transfer where needed or a hole punch.
Ammo makers go far out of their way to perfect bullets for all game at all ranges with all calibers. They do it so you can kill clean with penetration.
Cast is no different and very hard jacketed is not right either if too fast. Some will claim armor piercing is good for hunting.
Slow the hard .454 bullet to 1300 and it would have worked better.
Velocity and muzzle energy does not kill. Energy transfer where needed does the deed. Bullet construction for the velocity or size of the game.
Take the hard .454 bullet up to the velocity where it disrupts, then you are back in the game.
Most that claim I am wrong are shooting in my velocity range with hard boolits.
It is an ongoing argument. Shoot a hard slow boolit at 900 fps and killing effect is low. Speed it up and it is better and better until the point is reached where it starts to go down and gets worse. Now you start to need expansion.
You really can turn a flat nose into an armor piercing boolit.
Animal size does not register either. Use a hard fast boolit on a big buf with heavy bone and muscle and it slows to impart energy where needed. That has no relation to a deer. Energy must be transmitted faster in deer. They are thin, soft and small. An elephant boolit is wrong.
Your .454 bullet would work better in elk, moose, bear and a huge boar pig. Nothing wrong with it at all, it is the application that is wrong. It is not a deer bullet at that velocity.
Did you know a round ball from a muzzle loader can do more damage to a deer then the .454 ever thought of?

27 December 2011, 18:11

maxenergy

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
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It is what I said. Bullet/boolit hardness and velocity. Expansion, no expansion, energy transfer where needed or a hole punch.
Ammo makers go far out of their way to perfect bullets for all game at all ranges with all calibers. They do it so you can kill clean with penetration.
Cast is no different and very hard jacketed is not right either if too fast. Some will claim armor piercing is good for hunting.
Slow the hard .454 bullet to 1300 and it would have worked better.
Velocity and muzzle energy does not kill. Energy transfer where needed does the deed. Bullet construction for the velocity or size of the game.
Take the hard .454 bullet up to the velocity where it disrupts, then you are back in the game.
Most that claim I am wrong are shooting in my velocity range with hard boolits.
It is an ongoing argument. Shoot a hard slow boolit at 900 fps and killing effect is low. Speed it up and it is better and better until the point is reached where it starts to go down and gets worse. Now you start to need expansion.
You really can turn a flat nose into an armor piercing boolit.
Animal size does not register either. Use a hard fast boolit on a big buf with heavy bone and muscle and it slows to impart energy where needed. That has no relation to a deer. Energy must be transmitted faster in deer. They are thin, soft and small. An elephant boolit is wrong.
Your .454 bullet would work better in elk, moose, bear and a huge boar pig. Nothing wrong with it at all, it is the application that is wrong. It is not a deer bullet at that velocity.
Did you know a round ball from a muzzle loader can do more damage to a deer then the .454 ever thought of?

huh??

convoluted to say the least

01 January 2012, 01:18

bfrshooter

Deer experience with all that can be shot at them. Nothing more or less.
If you want to see a deer blown to mush, use the .500 JRH.

01 January 2012, 03:45

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Deer experience with all that can be shot at them. Nothing more or less.
If you want to see a deer blown to mush, use the .500 JRH.

And a bit of wacky observation practices and to ignore reality and others experiences is all that it takes to arrive at some BS conclusions

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL AND TO ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR

01 January 2012, 05:08

maxenergy

quote:
Originally posted by bfrshooter:
Deer experience with all that can be shot at them. Nothing more or less.
If you want to see a deer blown to mush, use the .500 JRH.

seems to me like you are seeing what you want to see and not what is actually happening. this theory is silly to me. a flat point doesn't stop doing damage because it is going fast. can you support your theory with science?

you said: "Velocity and muzzle energy does not kill. Energy transfer where needed does the deed" what exactly does that mean, keemosabee? this statement is a complete contradiction. how does one know where this energy transfer is needed?