Re: The "AVERAGE" gun

15 December 2004, 11:24

Just wanted everyone to get a chance at getting their feats of skill and prowess posted...

BTT

15 December 2004, 11:47

Cal Sibley

Hello Collins,

I've got quite a few rifles, shoot only handloads and most of my shooting is from the bench. All my rifles are glass bedded with floated barrels.

.17Rem. .4" to 1" (finicky bugger)
.222Rem. Sako .4"
.222Rem. Rem.40XBBR .3"
.222Rem. Mag. .4"
.22-250 .3"
.243Win. .8"
6mm Rem. .5"
6.5x55 .8"
7mm Rem.Mag. .8"
.308Win. 1.0"
.303SMLE 2.5"
8x57Mauser 3.5"

Hope this helps. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

15 December 2004, 12:04

Collins

Rifle type as well if your so inclined...

Quote:

Hello Collins,

I've got quite a few rifles, shoot only handloads and most of my shooting is from the bench. All my rifles are glass bedded with floated barrels.

.17Rem. .4" to 1" (finicky bugger)
.222Rem. Sako .4"
.222Rem. Rem.40XBBR .3"
.222Rem. Mag. .4"
.22-250 .3"
.243Win. .8"
6mm Rem. .5"
6.5x55 .8"
7mm Rem.Mag. .8"
.308Win. 1.0"
.303SMLE 2.5"
8x57Mauser 3.5"

Hope this helps. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

15 December 2004, 13:25

Paul Barnard

This is an interesting thread. Your results are going to be flawed I suspect. Looking for "average" in a reloading forum is akin to looking at a Lexus dealership for some basic transportation. Based on my knowledge of this board and my experience on the range, I'm probably closer to an average and "honest" shooter than some of the other respondants.

This is what I would say is my average (good and bad loads combined) off the bench with a front sandbag at 100 yards. 3 shot groups from bone stock rifles.

Remington 700 VLS 6MM 1.5
Ruger M77 30-06 1.75
Marlin 336CS 30-30 2.0
Marlin 1895G 45-70 1.25
Ruger 77/44 44 mag 3.5 (DIGITAL DAN, I WANT YOUR SECRETS)

Hope this helps.

15 December 2004, 15:26

beemanbeme

Many, many years ago Rick Jamison ran an article in Shooting Times (I think) where he sent a whole bunch of guys a pound of 4350 and a box of bullets (30-06 if I remember) -all you had to do was ask. Then you sent the targets to him and he measured them. A whole lot of them. If memory serves me, the overall average was between 2 and 3 inches. A call to Rick Jamison and he might recall or be able to unearth the article.
At a guess, if you were to take the average of ALL the groups of 30-06 ammo I've shot, it would run around 1.25-1.75". The 22-250 -both sporter and heavy barreled- would run .75-1.25" However, the sporter was sorta a out of the box and start shooting thing, while the heavy barreled was worked over quite a bit. I have a 7-08 with a custom barrel from Douglas that put the very first 10 rounds shot thru it into 7/8". I've liked that rifle every since.
I do believe it would be hard to get an average rifle and an average group out of this room. Too many enthusiast (aka gun nuts) that shoot enough that the figures would be skewed.

15 December 2004, 17:02

IRONWORKER

Hello Collins Ok 223Colt SporterH-BAR MOA with handloads... 2.0"plus with factory.
6x284 there is no factory 1/4 to 3/4"Produces shock treatment to coyote's
270WSM 3/4 to 1 1/8 Handloads.... Factory to expensive,if I purchase,emotional depression soon to follow.
300RUM Hand loads 7/8 to 1 1/2.....

.One time I purchased Factory I've been recieveing psychological therapy ever since.

15 December 2004, 19:18

338vt

Kimber LMVT 22-250 .4 @100 yards hand loads.
Ruger m77 v/t .243 win .5 hand loads.
Ruger N0.1V .223 rem .5 hand loads,1.5 factory.
Ruger NO.1 45/70 3.5 hand loads,5.0 factory
H&R Ultra Varmit .223 rem .6 hand loads,1.7 factory stuff.
H&R Ultra Rifle 450 marlin

1.5 hand, .5 factor.
H&R Topper 22 hornet 8.5 with every thing.
Blaser LRS2 338 Lapua .3 handloads.
1914 Rem. pump model 12 22lr 6.5 factory.
1917 Rem. pump model 12 22lr 2in. factory.
Marlin 17v 17hmr .6 factory.
Stevens Favorite 30r17 17hmr .3 factory.
Stevens Favorite 30g 22 mag(recamberd from lr).4 factory
Rem. 700 vls 22-250rem. .5 hand loads.
Savage 12bvss-s .220 swift .5 hand loads.
M-1 Grand .308 win .7 hand loads
M-1 Grand .30-06 spr. 1.8 hand loads,surplus ball .9

Winchester M70 .270 win 2in hand loads, 2in factor.
Mauser 66 .22 Savage High power 1.0 hand loads
Weathby MKV 338-378 1.0 hand loads,.9 factory

I'll stop there do to time constraints.

338vt

16 December 2004, 03:46

Collins

If at first you don't succeed, manipulate the data.

This certainly isn't a scientific study. Pretty much the equivilant of a "napkin sketch" but much better than a WAG.

Quote:

This is an interesting thread. Your results are going to be flawed I suspect. Looking for "average" in a reloading forum is akin to looking at a Lexus dealership for some basic transportation. Based on my knowledge of this board and my experience on the range, I'm probably closer to an average and "honest" shooter than some of the other respondants.
Hope this helps.

Every honest answer helps, all answers will be included.