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Originally posted by Nebraska:
Where's the best place $-wise to get this book? Also, is there a certain edition to be looking for?

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I went thru this about a month ago. I think Cabela's, and maybe one or two other mail order places listed them for around $30, but they were either out of stock, or, were selling an older edition. I ended up calling the publisher and getting the newest edition, plus the newest update. $50.

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I would rather have the new Nosler handbook or even #4. The book Wildcat Cartridges by Wolfe is interesting.

I don't know - I always got good info from Ken's stuff.

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Personally, I think his work is invaluable and ought to be more known and used than it is....

He could not get the rifle to group so he sent it back to Stoeger to be reworked and the set triggers taken off.

He has no use for the 180 gr bullet which is my favorite.

So I could add that Ken Waters writes articles about rifle calibers that he does not know much about. I could add that I do the same thing. In Waters case he is charging money for it but it's entertaining reading.

Waters also says that bullets of 165 grs and up at 2200 to 2500 fps deflect less in brush so the .358 is better in brush for that reason. This is wrong. The cartridge may do well in brush but not for the reason he gives.

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So I could add that Ken Waters writes articles about rifle calibers that he does not know much about.

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I think you're selling Waters a little short; if nothing else, he provides another source of data.

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Tim

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Will someone quote something from this book that helped them load better ammunition? Even one comment would surprise me. The book is nothing but a rambling story book of one cartridge at a time. They are just reprints from old magazines. I would never consider this a "reference" book.

I have had emails offering to buy my book. It was on the floor in the crawl space getting damp for 20 years. Now it's up here next to the computer. I am having too much fun with it right now. I think I will loan it to a buddy who is into historical stuff.

If Ken Waters is reading this I still am waiting for my letter to you to be answered! It's the letter challanging you to a position rifle match. You said that the 40X Remington was unsuitable for position target shooting. I am ready for your reply Ken. Still waiting after all these years.

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Anyway, I find Ken's articles very useful, taking into account that he usually uses only one gun to work up his loads. Therefore, whatever conclusions he reaches are only directly applicable to that one unique gun. For a few calibers, he may try two or even three guns, and this gives a little broader indication of the applicability of the loads. Ken has his prejudices just like the rest of us, but always did a pretty good job of sorting out what was based on data and what was based on preference.

Yeah.......here you go. Read the section on how to detetmine relative pressure by measuring case expansion at the web. Much beter than loading until the primer falls out, the bolt freezes or the action (ie. lever action) stretches. Wouldn't that qualify as "Better ammunition" ??

One of the things I learned as a youngster was, to know when to listen. Ken Waters has forgotten more than most of us know about guns and reloading. He may not appeal to you. You may not like his style. But he can teach you something if you would take the time to listen!

So, how many books and articals have you published on the subject???