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09 March 2004, 00:42
IEATROOS
Die leaves ring around bullet
I have a new set of hornady dies in which the seating operation leaves a very noticeable ring around the bullets. Is this normal?
09 March 2004, 00:56
p dog shooter
What cailber is it in what type style of bullet there can be a couple of reasons that it is doing it.
09 March 2004, 00:58
IEATROOS
Sorry, 243win, Nosler 80gr BT.
09 March 2004, 01:10
Don_G
Send them 3-4 bullets and the seating stem and they will get you a seat (or customize one) for you.

Are you chamfering/deburring the inside of the case mouths?

You can also make you own custome stem using two part epoxy. The claylike type is particularly easy to use for this.
09 March 2004, 07:54
CDH
Mine do the same, in most any caliber (as do my RCBS dies). The seating stem is a comprimise contour to match many bullets okay and few really well. As long as it is uniform, and not deep enough to feel with a fingernail, I consider it purely cosmetic and move on. It may (or may not) contribute to crooked bullet seating, but you will have to check your loads, and my rifles have shown little problem with that.
09 March 2004, 07:59
stinkers
I have the same dies and same caliber, Mine do that also, some bullets are more noticable than others, the 'varmint' ones really do it I suppose because of the thinner jacket. It might help if you screw the die out from the press like another half of a turn and then readjust the seater. If you have the die screwed down too far it seems to crimp the case before inserting the bullet and then you get a really bad compression ring around the tip of the bullet.
09 March 2004, 09:29
ricciardelli
Use the correct seating plug.
09 March 2004, 10:27
Red Neck64
ricciaroelli,is correct!
09 March 2004, 11:22
stinkers
is that seating plug an additional purchase? Im just using mine the way they came from the factory and I didnt notice any other plugs in the box.
09 March 2004, 11:30
Red Neck64
One that will match the ogive of the bullet in use.
09 March 2004, 14:24
Jim White
Use the correct seater stem and polish it. Jim
10 March 2004, 02:05
IEATROOS
What do you all mean by correct seater stem? I bought dies to suit my cartridge. There are no other seater stems available that I know of. Polishing won't help. It's not a barely noticeable ring, it's cut deep into the jacket. Forget about feeling it with your fingernail, you could feel it with your elbow!
10 March 2004, 03:08
Billyboy
Hmmm, my Hornady dies did the same thing. No amount of adjustment or polishing fixed it. This happened with several different bullets too (partition, Scirroco, Sierra HP).
I got a set of RCBS dies and no problem.
10 March 2004, 03:13
Hollywood
My Hornady dies did the same thing with 3 different bullets. I sold them on e-Bay and bought a set of RCBS.

Hollywood
10 March 2004, 03:15
CDH
Review your die adjustment procedures. To get that much force seating a bullet probably means you have the die set too low, causing a crimp to start before the seating is done.

Start with a factory round if possible.

Back out the seating stem so that it will never touch the bullet with the press ram fully extended.

using the factory bullet, raise it in the press unti all the way up.

Screw in the seating die until it just starts to contact the cartridge, then back out 1/4 turn (insuring that the crimp ring is not touching the case)

Lock die with lock ring.

Screw down seating plug until it makes good contact with the bullet, then lock in place.

You die is now adjusted to seat to factory depth without a crimp, and you can begin tweaking as desired.

If this does not get rid of the marking of bullets, your expander may be too small, your bullets too soft (all lead only, all jacketed bullets should be tough enough).

Remember, that if you change the die depth after the above, it also changes the seating depth.
10 March 2004, 04:37
niklassthlm
Quote:

I have a new set of hornady dies in which the seating operation leaves a very noticeable ring around the bullets. Is this normal?




Yes, with some bullets it's normal, especially mollycoated bullets. U can fix this, but why?
Does it relly matter? I dont think that it will give u any problems with groupings or so.

/Niklas
10 March 2004, 15:50
ark_fireman
RCBS will machine you a special seater plug for any bullet for $12.95 plus 3 bucks return postage. Just send them your check and three of the bullets you need the plug for. I'm having the same problem with my 480 Ruger dies w/ 325 Hornady XTP bullets.