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1899 Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori.
26 October 2007, 09:04
crout1899 Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori.
I just came into a sporterized 1899 Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfaktori. and I want to reload for it but don't want to blow myself up. Does anyone know anything about the cup rating for these old guns. and does anyone know anything about the value or it's history? any info would be greatly appreciated.
26 October 2007, 09:50
craigsterWhat's the chambering, 6.x55? SAAMI max for the round is 46,000 CUP which VERY ROUGHLY translates to somewhere (+/-) in the 50,000 psi (also roughly) range. Get yourself a good loading manual that includes data for your chambering, adhere to it, and you should be good to go.
26 October 2007, 22:51
croutYes, sorry it is a 6.5x55. I was hoping someone has a similar rifle and has already found a good bullet/powder combo. But i will get a good reloading manual.
27 October 2007, 01:19
GSP7I have a 1900 date, Carl Gustaf. Try any 140 bullet with 46-47 gr R22 or H4831
27 October 2007, 16:25
daveoIs this the M-96 swed mauser? If so mine is dated 1906 and likes 38.g of 4064 with a 140g. bullet. I had poor results using the RL-22.
27 October 2007, 18:34
vapodogstay with the books on this gun.....
this is a quote from Introduction to Modern Gunsmithing by Harold McFarland (1965):
quote:
The first thing to remember is that there were no modern strong Mausers before the model of '98. The receiver rings are small in diameter but the prime difference lies in the method of breeching. All these earlir actions lack the inner stop ring inside the receiver ring. This is the feature that encloses and supports the bolt nose that contributes much of the great strength of the model '98 action.
Modern actions rarely shear a bolt lug, instead they hold until they permit a cartridge case to burst. When that happens, the escaping high pressure gas can wreck the best action. So in the final analysis the prime factors in action strength are the completeness of the enclosure and support of the bolt nose. The earlier action might shoot right along at 70,000 psi pressure as long as cartridge cases are of excellent quality. But considering that case quality isn't consistantly good, these actions can't be trusted at breach pressures above 45,000 PSI.
The 50,000 PSI rating by craigster is in line with this thought.
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27 October 2007, 20:30
croutdaveo...I'm guessing it's classified as a m-96 model. I really don't know. I could post pics if possible, it has been sporterized so the only thing i have to go by is the 22.5" barrel, stainless steel bolt(i think) and the 1899 date stamped on the top of the chamber.
at first i wanted to load it with 100gr bullets so i could reach out and touch varmints but further studies seems to show the older guns prefer a heavier bullet, 140 gr,with about 46gr of powder as GSP7 already made mention to.
Can't wait to start reloading.
27 October 2007, 20:45
rem721quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
stay with the books on this gun.....
this is a quote from Introduction to Modern Gunsmithing by Harold McFarland (1965):
quote:
The first thing to remember is that there were no modern strong Mausers before the model of '98. The receiver rings are small in diameter but the prime difference lies in the method of breeching. All these earlir actions lack the inner stop ring inside the receiver ring. This is the feature that encloses and supports the bolt nose that contributes much of the great strength of the model '98 action.
Modern actions rarely shear a bolt lug, instead they hold until they permit a cartridge case to burst. When that happens, the escaping high pressure gas can wreck the best action. So in the final analysis the prime factors in action strength are the completeness of the enclosure and support of the bolt nose. The earlier action might shoot right along at 70,000 psi pressure as long as cartridge cases are of excellent quality. But considering that case quality isn't consistantly good, these actions can't be trusted at breach pressures above 45,000 PSI.
The 50,000 PSI rating by craigster is in line with this thought.
The 50K psi is about right but not because of strength issues.
Wasn't it Jorgen who conducted detructive tests on the 96's?
27 October 2007, 21:16
onefunzr2The very recently published Speer #14 load manual lists loads for 90 and 120gr bullets using AA 5744 reduced loads for these military action rifles; in the 1800 to 1900fps range. Industry operating pressure max is 51,000psi. Accurate Arms powder data is available on their website.
27 October 2007, 21:28
rickt300I have a sporterized rifle like yours and mine was built in 1907. THE load for it has been 42.0 grains of IMR 4350 and the 140 grain Hornady, either round nose or spire point. I have owned this rifle since 1989 and it has piled up a lot of game. Mostly deer and hogs. It's barrel was shortened to 22 inches, Remington front sight filed to work with the original rear sight and drilled and tapped for a scope. The rub being the original sight requires the scope tube to be straight in front of the adjustment turret but the 3X Weaver doesn't mind.
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