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I hate it when a rifle shoots factory ammo well

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20 February 2007, 08:17
Mike_Dettorre
I hate it when a rifle shoots factory ammo well
Big Grin

My new 270 Win first one I have ever owned and I am in love...



I don't get to reload then.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
20 February 2007, 08:21
vapodog
Some photos of the Weibe please!

Nice shooting BTW!


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20 February 2007, 09:03
doctorxring
Yep, they don't make ammo like they used to.

Thank goodness !!!

Smiler


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20 February 2007, 18:14
Snellstrom
I know what you mean!
I have a Win M70 .338 mag that shoots Federal Classic 225 grain bullets into little bitty groups best group with these factory rounds is UNDER .3"!
I can't shoot it like that all the time but it sure does shoot.
20 February 2007, 18:28
Heat
I can't say my 338-378 Weatherby shoots under .5 but it sure shoots under 1 so I have some idea of what you saying...

Only problem with factory loads is the 85 bucks a box Eeker... Going to have to find a handload that shoots good out of it for sure...

Ken....


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21 February 2007, 04:33
cummins cowboy
I have a 270 that also shoots those power points lights out however I shoot the 130 weight. I even bought some 130 power points to load myself becuase of them shooting so well, however what sucks to me is the loadings nowadays for the 270 are on the weak side, probably to not make the wsm's look bad, most factory stuff is not loaded to its full potential, so that is your reason to reload. with the exception of black hills I think winchester makes the finest factory stuff out there across the board.

give us some details on the 270,


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21 February 2007, 06:01
tnekkcc
IMHO 65kpsi SAAMI pressure for factory 270 was a mistake.
It should have been 62kpsi.

65kpsi is fine in Mauser case heads for handloads for a particular rifle.
21 February 2007, 06:03
fredj338
I feel your pain Mike. My .280 is sub 1/2moa w/ 160grGS Speer Nitrex ammo. Fortunately, it's out of production. dancing


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21 February 2007, 11:26
Gerard
quote:
I hate it when a rifle shoots factory ammo well


Mike,
Look on the bright side. It will probably shoot handloads even better.

thumb
21 February 2007, 19:42
Terry Blauwkamp
quote:
Originally posted by fredj338:
I feel your pain Mike. My .280 is sub 1/2moa w/ 160grGS Speer Nitrex ammo. Fortunately, it's out of production. dancing


I had a 280 that shot the WW 162 gr Silvertip BT the same way, and unfortunately, it too is gone.


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21 February 2007, 19:48
mike_elmer
Mike,

Your basing your concerns on a false premise... your assuming that the factory ammo will not change from box to box, lot to lot. shame

Have no fear... we all know better than that. Get the dies and be ready!!! clap


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21 February 2007, 20:06
Collins
0.93"
0.58"
0.50"

KEEP SHOOTING!!!
They're getting smaller


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22 February 2007, 06:25
MickinColo
I must say, you have a colorful target there. Don’t get that excited about it, some good groups just happen. Post the results of the third or forth time you have been to the range. I would say you have some possibilities there, so far so good. cheers
26 February 2007, 07:11
toadhead
Congrats Mike - you have purchased a good one.

My old .270 featherweight - pushfeed - that I bought in 1983 will shoot .75 inch groups or smaller all day with a cold barrel.

It doesn't seem to matter which factory ammo I use - the only thing that changes is the point of impact not the group size.

I can't get it to shoot any better with handloads and most times a lot worse.

Sometimes, you just get a good one.
26 February 2007, 09:54
jjmp
ain''t those 270''s sweeeeeeeeeeet,sure is lookin like a shooter!!!! but i''ll 2nd what mike_elmer said.......regards jjmp Wink
26 February 2007, 11:08
Mike_Dettorre
Mike and JJMP,

I solved that problem for now by buying go back and bying all 7 boxes that were left of the same lot number.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
26 February 2007, 20:49
jjmp
smart move there Mike Smilerregards jjmp