Do they have less of the same powder, or a diferent powder?

Subsonic loads for ,410?

Thanks.

I just use a reduce load of red dot.

And do you have any data p dog?

I have only done 12 ga 5 grs will give you about 600fps 10 grs will give you about 950with a 1oz and eight of shot.

fairly quiet even out of a 36inch barrel

Thanks a lot p dog.