This was a thread initiated a few days ago about the old Speer AGS offering and its demise.
Has anyone considered a Tungston projectile in a polymer sabot, You might be able to get a 43 caliber Tungston Projectile in a 45 caliber sabot.
You get the density, hardness, and dependebility on a tungston "bolt" in a casing that would groove even in double rifles without harming the gun.
I do not see why you would have to put a copper or bronze jacket over the tungston unless there is a corrosion issue.
Food for thought?
Saeed; what do you think?

EZ

Interesting idea ! roger

From a non technical types point of view this seems to have a neat sort of logical attraction about it. I'm watching this space.
Steve

the Singaporean Military use a tungsten insert in their .50BMG SLAP rounds.

Just a thought, I hunt /fish Montana and have been asking Heavishot and others to make a Tungsten slug for bear stompin.
They don't even respond. Winchester told me there fast sabot slug will suffice but I bet the guy never spent a night in Griz country
Anybody have an idea how we could produce a NON-expanding slug?

There use to be a guy who post here by handle Sabot he did lots of work developing sabots. haven't seen him post for a while.

He would be the one to contact if one could find him.

SILVERBUZZARD, I don't know if you reload for shotgun, if you do I highly recomend you try these slugs. http://www.ballisticproducts.c...o.asp?number=0721612 I have shot them clear through oak logs and recovered them deep in the dirt berm to find almost zero deformation. I don't have any critters in my neck of the woods that call for that kind of pentration so I dont use them. But it sounds like just the medicine you need on those big bears. I think they are selling them on Midway now also.

It's be interesting, tungsten = mucho dinero though....

I'll be looking too

The military, both in the U.S. of A. and all over the world have played with this idea for years. Nothing new here. The "SLAP" that Muzza mentioned stands for Saboted Light Armor Penetrator.

Military applications galore. But sporting? I doubt it.

Ray

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Originally posted by SILVERBUZZARD:
Just a thought, I hunt /fish Montana and have been asking Heavishot and others to make a Tungsten slug for bear stompin.
They don't even respond. Winchester told me there fast sabot slug will suffice but I bet the guy never spent a night in Griz country
Anybody have an idea how we could produce a NON-expanding slug?

So your looking for shotgun slug? I was thinking FMJ or Solid, but those are for rifles... Maybe if you can get the solid concept done for your shot gun, or mold your own if your willing to play with metal that heats up way over lead. Food for thought...

Barnes MRX Rifle Bullets have a tungsten core. I "think" the laws in the US don't allow for Handguns to use "hardened" bullets, because of penetration thru bulletproof vest. I could be wrong, but that is why they took teflon coated bullets off the market. http://www.barnesbullets.com/p...ts/rifle/mrx-bullet/

You can still buy 12 Ga. Sabot rounds from Federal. It seems like you could remove the projectile, and then copy it and have a slug machined out of whatever material you want. Then you use the plastic sabot to reload it into a shotgun shell. I don't do any shotgun reloading so the above is all theory.

Some history - Back in the 1970's Smith & Wesson got in the ammo business for a few years. I don't know who was doing their loading, but it was sold in S&W boxes. They sold a 12 Ga. Sabot round that used an allow projectile, and it was very hard. We tested it on steel tire rims and it punched through and kept on going. If you are serious about trying to build some of these, it doesn't seem like it would be difficult - but it could be expensive.

Good luck!

thanks guys, lots of ideas there. Just can't believe the companies will not help. Will check out the ballistic products stuff