26 July 2019, 05:56
StonecreekEasy way to neck up brass
I bought a 6x45 (6mm on a .223 case) and needed dies for it. I placed a WTB ad here on AR's classified and a good guy from Vermont supplied me with a nice set of Bonanza 6x47 dies (will work just fine for the 6x45, too).
Bonanza was apparently absorbed by Forster Products, which still makes the same or similar dies. I was surprised to see a factory note, original to the dies, in the die case. The note said that with the Bonanza seater (which holds the case firmly in a floating chamber), that you could use a boattail bullet to neck up your .224" cases to .243 by simply seating it in a case, then pull the bullet. I reasoned if you could do that, why couldn't you simply prepare a load in the .223 case then seat the 6mm bullet on top of it and be ready to shoot?
I had a supply of commercial .223 brass already FL sized and primed, so I chamfered the inside mouth, dropped the appropriate amount of an appropriate powder, and proceeded to seat a 58 grain Hornady V-Max in the case. There was little resistance (not as much as full length sizing) and the resulting cartridges are as pretty as you please.
I won't get a chance to test these loads for a couple of weeks, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with them.
26 July 2019, 08:13
sambarman338Sounds good to me. Might pay not to try for a crimp, though.
I negligently screwed the die rather than the bullet-seater down once. Did it just expand the shoulder? No, it rolled it in so the neck was inside and the case was about 3mm shorter than before

27 July 2019, 02:05
StonecreekI agree, no crimp on these (although I crimp nothing that I load other than perhaps some .30-30's for a Model 94, and handgun rounds, of course). Going from .224 to .243 they should have plenty of neck tension, anyway.
The 8mm/06 used to be a popular round when there were lots of surplus military Mausers around. I wonder if going from .308 to .323 would be too much of a stretch (using the proper type seating die, of course)? Or all the way to .338 for the somewhat popular .338/06?
28 July 2019, 18:54
sambarman338That should work, too, Stonecreek if percentages have anything to do with it: .224" to .243" is a more than 9% diameter expansion and .308 to .338 is still under 10%.
Another way to approach this neck expansion might be to push a .338 bullet in backwards some distance and then pull it. I have done that to make dummy rounds for my son's 35 Whelen from .30-06 cases. Not as quick as putting a boat-tail on top of powder - but if you want to finish up using a plain-based bullet ...
30 July 2019, 21:20
AtkinsonStonecreek you can go to 323 from .308 with a set of dies..Mine are 8x57 and 8x60 RCBS with a tapered expander balls...SAme with my 6x45 with a benchrest 0 tolerance neck that must be outside neck turned...