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17 January 2003, 06:22
<Charliebuck>
Delayed powder ignition
I was trying some new powders in my 300 WSM the other day just to see if my gun liked one better than the other. I was using H4350, and tought I'd try some Reloader 19, and some H414. Everything was fine except the H414. I loaded three went out back, and took a shot. I heard the firing pin hit the primer, and about a second later it went off. I thought it could be a bad primer, so I tried another. Same thing. The H414 was about a eight months old, and my reloading bench it in the basement, with a dehumidifier running. Could this have been damp powder?
17 January 2003, 08:05
<JBelk>
Charliebuck--

The problem is with the primer. It's called "hang fire".

It has three causes....old primers, contaminated primers, or primers not seated all the way.

I heard one shooter blame it on case cleaning media stuck in the flash hole but I tried 20 rounds and couldn't duplicate it.
17 January 2003, 11:04
<Charliebuck>
Jbelk, I would tend to agree with you, but I loaded other shells with other powders, and the same lot of primers without the delay.
17 January 2003, 20:30
<PaulS>
Charliebuck,
Low load density in large cases will cause what you describe as "delayed ignition" and worse. I had an experience with WW760 in my 3006. I was using a starting load with a 165 grain bullet seated out as far as I could seat it (Springfield throat is LONG). When I touched off the first round it was "soft" sounding - a very slight delay. When I fired the next round it just popped and then after what seemed forever (1 or 2 seconds) there was a very loud boom! It was bad enough that I stopped shooting and took the gun to my gunsmith to have it checked over. The case head was expanded and the body was split. This was not an over-charge but a detonation. Be careful.

PaulS
18 January 2003, 02:38
D Humbarger
I have very recently experienced this exact same thing in a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R with some old surplus Russian ammo. Kinda un-nerving to say the least huh? I pulled some bullets & there was corrosion around the flash holes (berdan).

[ 01-17-2003, 17:39: Message edited by: Bear Claw ]
18 January 2003, 06:27
Stonecreek
I've only experience hang fires with one batch of primers, ever. Those particular primers were of unknown age and circumstances, but had been sitting primed in unloaded brass for a number of years.

Your problem may be showing up with the spherical powder (which is usually a little more difficult to ignite), and is likely also present with the other powders, but the "delay" is just not enough for you to detect. Bottom line: You have some bad primers. Chuck them and start over with fresh ones.
18 January 2003, 08:04
CGB
I had sampe problem with H BLC-2 in an '06 with published starting loads and Rem primers. It is the only place I have experienced the problem.
C.G.B.