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Various 308 Winchester Factory Ammo In Various Rifles
03 April 2025, 19:37
Jgrabow6493If this was shot at 100yards/meters, there are sum fantastic groups. All but a few are very good.
Jim
03 April 2025, 19:56
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by Jgrabow6493:
If this was shot at 100yards/meters, there are sum fantastic groups. All but a few are very good.
Yes.
All are at 100 yards in our underground shooting range.
03 April 2025, 19:58
SaeedI have a few more rifles to shoot.
04 April 2025, 02:50
K EvansSome of those groups are great, especially the Sako TRG 22 and the Steyr SSG. Also helps if the person pulling the trigger can shoot

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Karl Evans
04 April 2025, 17:39
FjoldVery impressive.
Frank
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05 April 2025, 19:29
Michael RobinsonAccurate rifles . . . and shooter!
Definitely some distinct preferences in there.
And just when you start thunking one load is a loser or the winner, one of the rifles will shoot it well or not so well.
Still, that 150 gr. Bremmer load does appear to be the reject.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
Wow. Thanks for shooting this test. It gives me some hope that I will find a load for some of my rifles that seem to be stubbornly inaccurate.
Saeed, is it pretty repeatable with any given load?
Also, any thoughts on similarities in the guns that liked almost any load vs the guns that were somewhat pickier?
08 April 2025, 07:07
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by skl1:
Wow. Thanks for shooting this test. It gives me some hope that I will find a load for some of my rifles that seem to be stubbornly inaccurate.
Saeed, is it pretty repeatable with any given load?
Also, any thoughts on similarities in the guns that liked almost any load vs the guns that were somewhat pickier?
The whole purpose of the test is to see how the ammo shoots in different rifles.
Match ammo does seem to shoot much better, you will have to see and compare.
I will post another batch soon, just need to put them on our server.
18 types of ammo and I will see how many different rifles.
10 April 2025, 07:48
SaeedI started shooting a CZ 550 rifle, it had a 9X scope on it.
Show so good, so I changed the scope and put a 20X on it.
Still shot like a shotgun!!
10 April 2025, 16:16
p dog shooterquote:
Still shot like a shotgun!!
30 inch groups.
10 April 2025, 17:36
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
quote:
Still shot like a shotgun!!
30 inch groups.
Not that big.
But having been shooting accurate rifles, got a bit of a shock.
My experience with CZ rifles has been good.
This one seems to be an odd one out.
11 April 2025, 00:21
p dog shooter

I was shooting two accurate rifles.
A 223 savage and a Mk-X custom 06.
I fired two five shot groups with each.
I then looked through my spotting scope.
I said dam the 06 group is huge..
When I measured them the 223 group was .310 the 06 group was .65.
Next to each other through the spotting scope made the 06 group look huge.

A nice problem to have
11 April 2025, 09:01
SaeedTrue.
It is all relative.
But here we are talking about inches.
One more rifle left to do and I will post the results.
11 April 2025, 17:33
Michael Robinsonquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
quote:
Still shot like a shotgun!!
30 inch groups.
Not that big.
But having been shooting accurate rifles, got a bit of a shock.
My experience with CZ rifles has been good.
This one seems to be an odd one out.
That is odd.
Every CZ I have owned has been more accurate than I am.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
I'm sort of glad you're getting some results that aren't perfect.
I've had 5 CZ's. 4 were really accurate and they were mostly accurate with lots of different loads. One was pretty fussy.
Seeing the Steyr groups makes me hate my Mauser .308 with the Adams&Bennett barrel that I can only get to shoot 1.25" (and 2.5" if it doesn't cool down between shots).
12 April 2025, 17:30
SaeedI am shooting the last rifle of the test.
A VOERE.
Fantastic results from it.
13 April 2025, 17:06
Michael RobinsonVoere rifles are extraordinary.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
26 April 2025, 21:31
Michael RobinsonNot the Shikar or the K-14. Although they were decent rifles, they are not extraordinary.
The K-15, also known as the Titan II or the Kleinguenther K-15 Improved or Insta-Fire, would be the one that I would call extraordinary.
Sometimes this rifle was called the Voere Model 2250.
Same rifle.
Also it’s the same rifle as the Mauser Model 225 and the Mauser Model 99, which Mauser built after acquiring Voere's German operations.
Confused yet?
All the same rifle. They were all made in Germany.
Unfortunately, no version of that fine rifle is manufactured by anyone anywhere anymore.
All Voere rifles are now made in Austria and run the gamut from hunting to tactical to sport models. All are very high tech.
They remain extraordinary weapons, but I still prefer the K-15/Titan II in any and all of its variations.
As just one example of the advanced technology of the K-15/Titan II (and variants), the rifle has a Stellite insert in its receiver ring that includes the recoil seats against which the three bolt lugs lock when the bolt is closed.
Stellite is a "super alloy" made of cobalt, chromium, tungsten, nickel and iron and is pretty much indestructible.
Crazy Germans.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.