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30 Super H&H Original Loading

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31 March 2020, 05:21
dpcd
30 Super H&H Original Loading
What was the original Cordite load for the 30 Super, aka, the 300 H&H?
I saw that the 375 was 62 grains; couldn't find the 30.
I might want to load some with cordite. Might not.
I just want to know.
31 March 2020, 05:42
craigster
This might get you in the ballpark:

https://revivaler.com/the-300-holland-holland-magnum/

Where are you getting your Cordite these days ?
31 March 2020, 09:07
dpcd
Thanks; that article is where I got the 62 grains for the 375; no mention of the Super 30 loads,
I figured I would just nitrate some spaghetti.
I need to know the original loading. Sometimes it is marked on the rifle barrel. Like CORDITE 62 MAX.
31 March 2020, 09:23
dpcd
Found it in Cartridges of the World
49 220
55 180
58 150
I need it so I can engrave barrels.
01 April 2020, 00:39
Samuel_Hoggson
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
Found it in Cartridges of the World
49 220
55 180
58 150
I need it so I can engrave barrels.


Found the same numbers in Taylor's book, along with MV, ME, and pressures (18 1/2 tons all three). He also lists info on a flanged version operating at 17 1/2 tons.
01 April 2020, 01:00
dpcd
Good; thanks; forgot to look there; I have that book.
01 April 2020, 06:30
Mike Rowe
Hoyem's Vol.3 has the ICI catalog loads of:

150 55
180 50
220 46
01 April 2020, 08:29
eagle27
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Rowe:
Hoyem's Vol.3 has the ICI catalog loads of:

150 55
180 50
220 46


They are the cordite loads for the Super 30 Magnum Flanged (300 H&H Rimmed)

The following as published in the ICI catalogue for Super 30 Magnum Rimless (300 H&H Belted) are

150 58
180 55
220 49
01 April 2020, 09:02
dpcd
That matches cartridges of the world. I'll use those.
01 April 2020, 09:09
NormanConquest
I was going to recommend COTW + Taylor's book but ya'll beat me to the punch. At least you have your info + hopefully in a couple of days your brass.


Never mistake motion for action.
01 April 2020, 15:12
Mike Rowe
My bad - it had been a long day!
01 April 2020, 18:08
Mike McGuire
quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
What was the original Cordite load for the 30 Super, aka, the 300 H&H?
I saw that the 375 was 62 grains; couldn't find the 30.
I might want to load some with cordite. Might not.
I just want to know.


I have done what might be called "semi reloaded" with cordite.

Back in the 60s n Australia the 303/25 and 303/270 were popular, especially the 303/25. Both local factory rounds

For the 303/270 we would just pull the 174 grain bullet from the Mark VII 303 military ammo, neck down and seat a 100 grain bullet.
01 April 2020, 18:39
skb
The .30 Super and the .300 H&H Magnum are not the same cartridge but they are VERY similar. The .30 Super came first, has a slightly different case shape than the .300 H&H Magnum and was loaded to a lower velocity. Oddly enough, Wikipedia has a good description. My own rifle is a early .30 Super Rimmed and so marked and thought to be he only single shot H&H built in that caliber(so what?). Wonderful deer cartridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_H%26H_Magnum


01 April 2020, 19:17
dpcd
Interesting write up on Wiki, but I see variations well within the usual tolerance specs for cartridge cases. Doesn't matter though.
By now it is just a name.
Will your SS take a FL sized 300 case?
01 April 2020, 22:17
skb
Indeed it will. I generally just neck size though to prolong brass life.

Steve
01 April 2020, 23:00
dpcd
Good to know; now I am assuming that whoever wrote that article just measured some brass and came up with the usual variations among makers, and even years.
Rather than the proven fact that they are/were two different cartridges.
02 April 2020, 02:25
skb
CIP specs are different for the two. The print was slightly modified at the time of the name change.