I found this site today:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysopti...velopment/index.html

It's about "Optimal Charge Weight Load Development", and looks like it might be somewhat revolutionary or at least a new look on things... does anyone here know anything about this? Are this gentleman's conclusions valid? Does his method work, and if so... how well?

Thanks for any input you can provide!

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Originally posted by Gaillo:
I found this site today:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysopti...velopment/index.html

It's about "Optimal Charge Weight Load Development", and looks like it might be somewhat revolutionary or at least a new look on things... does anyone here know anything about this? Are this gentleman's conclusions valid? Does his method work, and if so... how well?

Thanks for any input you can provide!

Dan Newberry has been around for a while. Optimal Charge/Barrel Timing is not a new idea. Dan does a good job of explaining his methods and they work. There is always “more than one way to skin a cat†though.

Don’t forget to look at Chris Long’s pages too. The link is at the bottom of Dan’s page.

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Originally posted by Gaillo:
...It's about "Optimal Charge Weight Load Development", and looks like it might be somewhat revolutionary or at least a new look on things... does anyone here know anything about this?

Hey Gaillo, That is a highly plagerized and then basterdized version of the never improved upon Creighton Audette Load Development Method.

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Are this gentleman's conclusions valid? Does his method work, and if so... how well?

The parts he did not goof up work fine.

He used to post here as green788(aka Rookie green) until he was laughed off the Board because of SAFETY ISSUES with some of his illogical and nonsensical thinking. If you follow enough of his postings, you will eventually find him recommending Loads with wording that goes something like,"This Load will be the most accurate Load in ANY rifle chambered for this Cartridge. No need to work it up, just duplicate it." That total ignorance concerning general Reloading practices and SAFETY is what got him laughed off this Board.

Best of luck to you.

His way is a refined version of the Audette method. OCW "averages" each load by firing a number of rounds for each load.

Cothore...

No one laughed anyone off the board here.

People who can actually think are easily able to see why OCW is a definite improvement over Audette.

For folks like yourself, who merely talk like you know what you're talking about, but provide no substance for what you say, please continue using whatever method you choose, but leave off the lies and rhetoric about OCW.

People mock what they don't understand.

Here's a shorter link to my webpage, for any interested... www.clik.to/optimalchargeweight

By the way, I don't hang out at AR because of the political issues of Saeed. Unless he's changed his stripes, he seems to be a closet enemy of America (though he'd vehemently deny this). He constantly bashes our president...

As far as Hotcore goes, I actually enjoyed batting issues back and forth with him... and I do pop back in every now and again to see what my detractor has been up to. ... but I can't be a regular on this site for reasons mentioned above.

Dan

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OCW "averages" each load by firing a number of rounds for each load

In my humble opinon, choice of methods is all opinon. Both methods work well enough to accomplish what the user seeks, finding good places to start some real load development. I like the ladder method to find the node(s) ranges quickly. Then I do something more like the OCW at those nodes.

Bottom line, no matter how anyone approaches finding the best powder charge for a load, he will have to spend a little more time refining it to get best results.

Both methods will work if done intelligently and I'mot trying to convience anyone of anything, you should do as you wish. Only suggesting that sometimes folks may get their bowels in a small up-roar defending personal preferences without really considering what the other guy is trying to convey.

Whatever works for you, works. That's the bottom line, isn't it?

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Originally posted by utk:
His way is a refined version of the Audette method. OCW "averages" each load by firing a number of rounds for each load.

No, not even close to "refined". It just bastardizes the best Method of Reloading ever conceived.

And yes, his complete and total lack of understanding about the Variables between Chambers and Bores resulted in the Rookie being totally laughed off the Board.

Follow his advice and you will eventually understand he knows little to nothing about Reloading.

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Originally posted by Dan Newberry:
Cothore...

No one laughed anyone off the board here.

Dan

Apparently you never knew Denton

I did know Denton. Denton explained to Hotcore why OCW is superior to Audette's ladder test... but Hotcore didn't want to hear it.

Denton is a very intelligent individual, and he's easily capable of putting his knowledge into words that can be understood by the average guy.

Of course Hotcore isn't the average guy, I guess we'll all agree (one way or the other).

Dan

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Originally posted by Dan Newberry:
...Denton is a very intelligent individual, and he's easily capable of putting his knowledge into words that can be understood by the average guy. ...

Here is an idea of denton's(who amazes the Rookie with his vast intelligence), colloquially called The World's Most Ignorant Reloading Suggestion. I can see how it would fit right in with the ocw fiasco.

However, it needs to be very clear, the HUGE issue that got the Rookie laughed off this Board was not so much the ocw-fiasco as it was the SAFETY Issues concerning the Rookie telling everyone to "just dump in xx.xgr of old Stump Blaster with (any) 165gr Bullet in a xx Cartridge(with no reguard to Developing from below) and you will have the MOST Accurate Cartridge ever formulated by mankind."

The Rookie has ZERO concept concerning the Variables in Chambers, Bores, Bullets and Lot-to-Lot variations in Components(Cases, Primers, Powders and Bullets). It is the same mistake a lot of Rookies make, but most are intelligent enough to understand they are doing something WRONG when a bunch of folks tell them so. As was done here at AR with the Rookie, but he never could grasp it.

There has never been a safety issue violated by anything I've said.

I have never advocated using just any load recipe in any rifle, but have always advised to work up to the recipes I recommend.

So here's the deal Hotcore...

Search the archives here (and you and I both know that the archives are extensive)...

And find me ONE instance where I advocated something that was not safe, and I'll mail you a 50 dollar money order. That should be easy money for you if what you say is true.

Of course you will find no such instance, because no such instances exist.

You are an incurable, incessant liar. Strong words, I know, but you are indeed a liar.

Dan

Dear Dan, thanks for the new links. I shall have a look at it. The original Creighton Audette method sure sounds enticing and bright, but some of its more enthusiastic proponents e.g. in Germany seemed to confuse it with magic, completely setting aside statistics, so I wonder about the OCW... will read on.

Thanks, Carcano

Thanks Carcano...

The Iowa State Rifle and Pistol Association thought enough of the OCW method to put it in their quarterly newsletter...

http://www.iowastateriflepistol.org/members/newsletters/Newsletter20062ndQ.pdf

I guess Hotcore can't find any instances where I advocated anything "UNSAFE" as he likes to say. But I'm sure he tried...

Dan

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Originally posted by Dan Newberry:
Cothore...


By the way, I don't hang out at AR because of the political issues of Saeed. Unless he's changed his stripes, he seems to be a closet enemy of America (though he'd vehemently deny this). He constantly bashes our president...

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just a thought on saeed's politics, personally I think he just likes to F with people and get them fired up, but in reality his views aren't what they seems at least IMO

I have a friend who is in the military, he was hosting a BBQ for soldiers who where leaving to go to iraq. These guys as you can imagine where uneasy about going on their first deployment away from home, saeed paid for the entire BBQ which included copious amounts of meat, beverages of all kinds and pretty much whatever items the guys needed, which totaled more than a few hundred bucks, he offered to make this a regular monthy practice, my buddy was like no no we don't need to do that. This doesn't sound like a guy that hates america or our soldiers if you ask me, if he would do something like this for our troops