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13 October 2010, 05:33
sksshootershot my first rifle reloads
and i now have a couple questions. i have a load now that i think is gonna work out in my 270wsm. i ended up with 60g re22 under a 150g nbt in winchester brass with wlrm primers. got right at 1" at 100 with 3 shots. the issue i have is all my brass after fl sized, trimmed fit int he chamber fine. after loading them 1 round will now not chamber. it appears that the case is bulged at the shoulder. right where it stops to angle and starts down the side of the case. i chamfered the inside of the necks pretty well so i thought. what can i do to prevent this in the future. i know i could have checked all the rounds in the chamber before going to shoot but it was late when i loaded them and didn't want to go outside to check them. should i chamfer the inside more or is it acceptable to use a dry lube on the necks while loading?
13 October 2010, 05:43
ted thornYou probably bulged the case during the sizeing process.
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13 October 2010, 06:02
bartschequote:
after loading them 1 round will now not chamber. it appears that the case is bulged at the shoulder. right where it stops to angle and starts down the side of the case. *** what can i do to prevent this in the future.
Make sure all cases aretrimmed to the right length.
Don't crimp if you don't absolutely have to.
If a bullet is felt to grossly resist insertion STOP.
This is really hard to do when sizing as the FL sizing die will keep the dimension in tolerance. 
roger
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13 October 2010, 06:12
sksshooterthey definatly were fine after sizing because i chambered each case after sizing but before loading. bullets were not crimped either. also all cases were trimmed to length with lee trimmer after sizing.
bartsche if they are hard to seat what do i do to fix this? chamfer more?
13 October 2010, 06:58
bartschequote:
Originally posted by sksshooter:
bartsche if they are hard to seat what do i do to fix this? chamfer more?
Different bullets
Generous chamfer
Slightly larger expander, if indicated.
Align die to shell holder if needed. Make sure shell holder is clean and allowing full travel when sliding in case.
With a short neck and a fat body some sevier cocking of the bullet prior to insertion into the case may be permitted.??????? 
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13 October 2010, 07:03
Fish30114More chamfering is probably not the answer, I have encountered this once with a WSM, a 270 as well--and it was due to the case being crushed by the seating die, BECAUSE I had the die set to close to crimping unintentionally. I backed the die out a little bit and ran the seating stem in to get the desired OAL, and no more problem. It's worth a check, just back your seateing die out a turn, and then run the seating stem in til you get your OAL you want.
13 October 2010, 07:23
rcamugliaquote:
Originally posted by Fish30114:
More chamfering is probably not the answer, I have encountered this once with a WSM, a 270 as well--and it was due to the case being crushed by the seating die, BECAUSE I had the die set to close to crimping unintentionally. I backed the die out a little bit and ran the seating stem in to get the desired OAL, and no more problem. It's worth a check, just back your seateing die out a turn, and then run the seating stem in til you get your OAL you want.
+1
Happened to a friend
13 October 2010, 07:36
SR4759A VLD chamfer tool might do it but I know that a tapered belling tool will.
Just get one of the Lee universal tapered expander dies. Expand the case mouth until it is slightly larger than the bullet base so that the edge of the case does not dig into the bullet base. If you don't have this tool a FMJ military bullet held point down in a bullet puller collet can work if you are careful. You can also use a tapered hand tool such as center punch. You drop the center punch into the case mouth and tap with a light hammer until your bullet base will clear to start.
I almost forgot. You can switch to a hard based boat tail bullet such as a the Nosler Ballistic Tip. It will probably be tough enough and tapered enough to act as it's own expander.
13 October 2010, 07:59
sksshooterquote:
Originally posted by Fish30114:
More chamfering is probably not the answer, I have encountered this once with a WSM, a 270 as well--and it was due to the case being crushed by the seating die, BECAUSE I had the die set to close to crimping unintentionally. I backed the die out a little bit and ran the seating stem in to get the desired OAL, and no more problem. It's worth a check, just back your seateing die out a turn, and then run the seating stem in til you get your OAL you want.
this seems like a plausible explanation i will try to make sure to pay extra attention next time.
13 October 2010, 08:07
sksshooterquote:
Originally posted by SR4759:
A VLD chamfer tool might do it but I know that a tapered belling tool will.
Just get one of the Lee universal tapered expander dies. Expand the case mouth until it is slightly larger than the bullet base so that the edge of the case does not dig into the bullet base. If you don't have this tool a FMJ military bullet held point down in a bullet puller collet can work if you are careful. You can also use a tapered hand tool such as center punch. You drop the center punch into the case mouth and tap with a light hammer until your bullet base will clear to start.
I almost forgot. You can switch to a hard based boat tail bullet such as a the Nosler Ballistic Tip. It will probably be tough enough and tapered enough to act as it's own expander.
nosler ballistic tip is what im loading. ill see how the next lot of bullets load.
13 October 2010, 08:27
SR4759quote:
Originally posted by sksshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by SR4759:
A VLD chamfer tool might do it but I know that a tapered belling tool will.
Just get one of the Lee universal tapered expander dies. Expand the case mouth until it is slightly larger than the bullet base so that the edge of the case does not dig into the bullet base. If you don't have this tool a FMJ military bullet held point down in a bullet puller collet can work if you are careful. You can also use a tapered hand tool such as center punch. You drop the center punch into the case mouth and tap with a light hammer until your bullet base will clear to start.
I almost forgot. You can switch to a hard based boat tail bullet such as a the Nosler Ballistic Tip. It will probably be tough enough and tapered enough to act as it's own expander.
nosler ballistic tip is what im loading. ill see how the next lot of bullets load.
I guess I did not read carefully.
The BT boat tail is sort of short.
A longer boat tail may work better.
But expanding the case with a tapered tool always will.
13 October 2010, 17:49
Hot CoreCongratulations on your "First Reloads".
Sounds like they are doing well for you.
quote:
Originally posted by ted thorn:
You probably bulged the case during the sizeing process.
I believe Ted made a "typo" and meant during Seating. Fish has the correct answer.
13 October 2010, 18:23
wasbeemanFish has the answer. Welcome to our world.
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13 October 2010, 23:43
Antelope Sniperquote:
With a short neck and a fat body some sevier cocking of the bullet prior to insertion into the case may be permitted.??????? roger
That makes me think a benchrest seater might be helpful.
14 October 2010, 02:01
SR4759quote:
With a short neck and a fat body some sevier cocking of the bullet prior to insertion into the case may be permitted.???????
That is true especially with deep seating.
The bullet may be strying to start into the case neck before the case neck is in the die neck.
You can try to spin the case as it starts to disappear into the die. This will tend to set the bullet straight up and down - that is unless you have a press that is tilted.
If you have a tilted press you will have more seating problems than normal due to the bullet trying to lean with the press angle.
14 October 2010, 02:16
sksshooterquote:
Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
quote:
With a short neck and a fat body some sevier cocking of the bullet prior to insertion into the case may be permitted.??????? roger
That makes me think a benchrest seater might be helpful.
what is different about the benchrest die?
14 October 2010, 03:23
Antelope SniperA benchrest seating die will typically support the entire outside of the case not just the case neck. In addition they will support and better align the bullet with the case during insertion. This will help keep the bullet better aligned with the bore, and help group size. Normally bench rest dies are not needed for hunting rifles, but based on these comments I can see where it might make sence in the WSM's.
http://www.forsterproducts.com...24216&showprevnext=114 October 2010, 04:47
SR4759quote:
Normally bench rest dies are not needed for hunting rifles, but based on these comments I can see where it might make sence in the WSM's.
Agreed.
14 October 2010, 07:02
sksshooterthanks guys. i think im going to give it another go with what i have since i did make up several rounds that chambered fine. maybe that one was just a hair longer. maybe i should have spun the trimmer one more time. im going to size like normal, trim, chamfer and reload and this time back my die out a little bit more and see what happens.
16 October 2010, 03:53
wistrapperThat makes me think a benchrest seater might be helpful.[/QUOTE]
I like to use Forster Dies for this very reason.
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26 October 2010, 09:55
sksshooterupdate
so i loaded up a few more of the best grouping round so i can zero in my scope. i thought i was good to go with giving the seater die a little more room. wrong i still ended up with 1 that would not chamber after seating the bullets. they all chambered fine after sizing. so i decided to try something else. i was using the vld inside chamfer on my rcbs case prep station. i decided to swap back to the original rcbs inside chamfer tool that came with the case prep station. i sized, trimmed and chamfered 20 cases and loaded them up. i was actually able to get the bullet to start in the case and didn't have to hold the bullet in place as the case went into the die and they seated much easier. i pushed a few against the side of the bench and they all stayed in place so i should have enough neck tension. i took all of the loaded rounds outside and chambered everyone of them and they all chambered fine.
so i think either i wasn't chamfering them enough with the vld chamfer tool or they just needed a little more angle to get started. either way it looks like im good to go now. i plan to go zero the scope tomorrow hopefully i can remember to take some pics this time.