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SST's not as accurate as Nosler BT?

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22 March 2002, 14:19
<dr280>
SST's not as accurate as Nosler BT?
Not so much a question- I realize all rifles are different etc. But, my shooting buddy just did some pretty good testing with his new customized Win Sporter in .270. Overall results from different powders, charges, etc. concluded that Nosler BT were about 1/2 inch better groups than were the SST's. And on average- 75 to 80 feet faster with same powder charge. His best 5 shot group was .402, with 3 in the same hole and the other 2 made the hole look like mickey mouse. It made me go buy a box of Noslers for my 280. I have been having a hell of a time getting a good group (under .75, 5 shots, over 3000 fps) with the SST's. I have tried 15 different loads, using 4 different powders and charges. The best for group and speed has been 57 grains of IMR4831. I now have 4 groups of five loaded with the Noslers- so we shall see................
22 March 2002, 14:55
Santiam
Hmmmmm!
My brother and I have just done extensive testing on our 270's...He has a Mark X and I a pre 64 ...The 140 gr SST came out on top over the Ballistic tips in our rifles...We were fortunate to find a load that worked for both guns...His seems to be just a hair more accurate with .6 inch groups while mine only went .7...Darn! I am faster though going 3130 average,while his goes only 3040 with identical loads...Hmmmmmmm!

I think I'll stick with the SST's at almost 1/2 the cost...Probably a better all around bullet anyway....

22 March 2002, 15:46
Bobby Tomek
Santiam-
Where are you getting the SSTs for about half the cost of the Nosler BTs? I generally find that the cost per 100 is about $3-3.75 more for the Noslers, and sometimes the difference is even less..
22 March 2002, 16:22
<6.5 Guy>
I did extensive testing in my Ruger 7mm Rem Mag with 139 gr SSTs and 140 gr BTs. Fired up 50 rounds of each through the rifle over several days of testing.

My conclusion? In THIS particular rifle, the faster I pushed the SSTs, the more accurate they were. The BTs didn't care how fast they were going, group size was fairly consistent. The BTs were usually 20-30 fps faster than the SSTs for the same load, no big deal there, I just upped the SST load .3 grains higher than the BT load, and got the same velocity.

So, accuracy wise, the SSTs won out over the BTs, although both were certainly acceptable. The SSTs grouped about 20% smaller than the BTs (.72" avg vs. .91" avg at 100 yards) at max velocity (3,300 fps).

A box of 100, 139 gr SSTs in my neck of the woods runs $18. A box of 50 140 gr BTs runs $14. I also think the SSTs are a bit more sturdily constructed than the BTs.

I'm using the SSTs for my main hunting load, at least in my 7mm. I have yet to run a similar test with 180s in my .300 Win Mag.

22 March 2002, 16:36
Santiam
This is from Midsouths site..

140 gr. SST 16.92 per 100

140 gr. BT 11.12 per 50

OK so not quite half,but still a substantial difference...


22 March 2002, 18:28
<fishnfool>
My Win. M70 Featherweight in .308 Win. gets .25" tighter groups using 150 gr. SST bullets over 150 gr. NBTs.
23 March 2002, 03:05
RSY
quote:
Originally posted by dr280:
I have been having a hell of a time getting a good group (under .75, 5 shots, over 3000 fps) with the SST's.

So, now good groups start at 0.75"??? Is this a hunting load or a BR load? If it's a hunting load and you're not happy with 3/4", what are you hunting...newborn kittens at 1,000 yards?

I think you're getting good hunting groups with both bullets. Now, you need to decide which one is better for the game you take and the shots you make. Personally, I've moved over to the Hornady side of the house, for now. I think the SST is probably a tougher bullet, AND I don't feel like I just got sucker-punched at the cash register the way I do when buying Nosler bullets.

Good luck,
RSY

24 March 2002, 16:03
<dr280>
Testing done today-----
Just got back from my back 40 range and the results are in.....
Ruger #1 .280
IMR 4831

57 grains with 139 SST's -no crimp-
average 5 shot group .96 at 3020 fps

57 grains with 139 SST with crimp
ave. 5 shot group .82 at 3055 fps

56 grains with Nosler 140 no crimp
5 shot group .98 at 2900 fps

56 grains Nosler with crimp
5 shots .95 at 2945 fps

57 grains Nosler- ONE SHOT 2998
Case extraction was difficult- not excessively hard- but hard enough to make me not shoot another.

SO- my rifle likes the SST, both for groups and speed. I plan to do a custom accurizer job (like a Hicks) and use that to tune to the SST load.
To answer RSY- just a hunting rifle, but like most everyone here- we all have our goals. I don't think 5 shots at .75 is out of the question... it may be... but not yet.
I don't plan to hunt newborn kittens at a 1000 yards anytime soon. If I do- it will definetly be with a Matchking- cause there ain't no better killer at long ranges than a Matchking- oh, and by the way.... my bullets shoot better than the rest,, or something like that anyway.

24 March 2002, 16:15
Dave Jenkins
I was just thinking that a cannelure has just got to cause some turbulence. But maybe turbulence aint a bad thing....supposed to help a golf ball...look at this
http://www.povn.com/~4n6/fig2.htm
stole it from the long range argument I mean discussion under "Benchrest and Target shooting"

28 March 2002, 16:53
<Frank>
I have shot both in my 280 AI and the SST wins Hands down Average group size was .578 for 10 groups. The BT averaged in the .700s. The SST is of a more sturdy contruction then the BT. Its to bad the Ogive is wrong for my 7-08IMP to fit them in the magazine they have to be 55 thousands off the lands.
28 March 2002, 19:40
jrslate
Gentlemen,

I have been experimenting with the 139 gr. SST in my 7mm Rem Mag lately. I too have noticed that the groups tighten up considerably as velocity increases..

At an average velocity of 3205 fps, I was shooting average 0.55 inch, 5 shot groups. Works for me..!!

Joel Slate
Slate & Associates, LLC
www.slatesafaris.com

7mm Rem Mag Page www.slatesafaris.com/7mm.htm

29 March 2002, 01:14
GarBy
I can add my 2 cents worth in this way....either bullet sounds like it gets real good accuracy in all of the guns. BUT, in a hunting situation, the SST will DEFINITELY hold together better and penetrate deeper (given the same impact velocity and the same impact point). The 30 caliber and under BT's are not constructed as sturdy as the SST's.....I know from experience on Whitetails.