12 December 2001, 17:58
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"shoot 'em if you got 'em!"
Guess I'll find out for sure if my loads stretch the case heads.
John
I found the same type of "loose" seating problems with Remington 9 1/2 M primers that one of my rifles shot best with. That brick is gone, but I haven't had a chance to use the new brick yet.------Chainsaw
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May I be half the man my dog thinks I am.
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Originally posted by Paladin:
The new ones I have are more like brass-colored. Winchester made then cheaper in every way....
I fail to see how that makes them "cheaper". My loads are as accurate with the new WLR as the old. The WLRM loads are MORE accurate with the new primers.
I haven't seen any difference in primer seating. Maybe its time to throw out that worn-out brass.
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Originally posted by KuduKing:
I haven't seen any difference in primer seating. Maybe its time to throw out that worn-out brass.
I noticed the easy seating with *new* brass, from Winchester, no less.
John
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Originally posted by Paladin:
The new ones I have are more like brass-colored. Winchester made then cheaper in every way....
Paladin,
I've read your posts on WW primer problems
and would like to know if you have anything new on this ?
What primers are you buying now?
Thanks,Dyno
As a matter of fact, I just bought 5,000 more WSP and 1,000 moe WSPM.
[This message has been edited by ricciardelli (edited 02-02-2002).]
When I stocked up on primers, I bought cases of Winchesters, expecting to get the same nice stuff I've used for 45+ years. BIG disappointment!!! The love affair ended when the .454 Casull event occurred, followed by several other mentions of similar happenings to others.
Earlier, I quietly backed off of Federal when I found them significantly softer than their competition. BUT, they were reliable otherwise. I've been cautious about CCI for a number of reasons. Other than Remington
#7 1/2 Small Rifle primers, it's been years since using Remingtons --they tended to be a little large for the pockets. The RWS primers are too expensive to consider. It all being said and done, I suppose I will have to settle on Federal, unless they cheapen their products as well.
Looks like I will have a number of cases of crud Winchester primers to sell or trade at a loss or, if I am lucky, break-even....
Paladin,
Glad to hear you have found primers that are working for you. I am curious about the CCI primers you are cautious about, would you please expand on this. I've followed your posts here and on other forums which much interest as I have been in the process of buying a full assortment of primers as I am low on about everything. At this point I have bought 18K primers which is about half of what I was going to order when I ran across the WW primer post on this forum.
Since that time I have talked to as many people as possible at shows,shooting ranges and in stores that sell reloading supplies.
At this point I have not gotten any conclusive evidence that the WW primers are going down hill,however,I have talked to several people that have had a few problems
with WW and are suspicious of WW at this point. The only thing I have gotten from all this talking with folks that reload is that there may have been a few problems associated with the changeover to the new WW
primers, perhaps a small amount got out that should have been destroyed if not up to par.
The point made about the flash hole size on new WW cases may be an insight to some problem with new primer formulation.
At this point I am using CCI for most uses,
CCI 200 for most LR needs ,CCI 300 for most LP needs and CCI 500 for SP and CCI 550 for SPM. This has served me well with a few exceptions,I use Rem 9-1/2 on some rifle loads when a little more heat is needed and
Fed 210 where LRM are speced but are not really needed for example 303 Britt loads.
I do use a few LRM primers and in the past they have been CCI 250 and always worked well. I think that in many cases mag primers are not necessary and are used by default. If you notice in the Speer manuals that they often list a standard LR and a mag LR primer without any explanation. This may well be marketing on their part as the mag primers sell for more bucks,however, in some cases this recommendation is sound as is when Lyman gives references to using mag primers and identifies which powers benefit from the change in their opinion.
Please post anything new.
Best,Dyno
[This message has been edited by Dyno (edited 02-03-2002).]
Difficulties with CCI? Well, generally they seat with more difficulty, and with regard to the Dillon, have a reputation (I have not verified by experiment) of being sluggish in the primer-feed tube. I've also had random (but few) misfires. And, from experience, have noticed a sharp 20-year shelf-life for them, sometimes a bit less. I do know from conversations with their people, they've struggled to remedy and improve their line.
Remington always has seemed to seat more stiffly. But, it's been DECADES since I last had any but Remington #7 1/2 Small Rifle primers, so cannot speak to their common primers today.
In the past, I NEVER had ANY problems with Winchester primers and loved to use them. It was on this basis that I restocked with cases of them --but, unfortunately for me and friends, that was shortly after the cheapening occurred.
...Perhaps I should have seen it coming: Winchester polled a number of people, including myself, before going forward with their plans to cheapen. If I had reflected longer on what was "between the lines," it might have been more obvious that they were not planning just to cheapen their OEM primers for commercial loaders, they were going to cheapen ALL of them. That's what I get for having the kind of faith in Winchester which marketers call "consumer loyalty." 
Are you a paid shill for CCI? Or did Winchester somehow fail to give you some freebie promotional materials are you are peeved?
You keep repeating that Winchester "cheapened" their primers. You offer NO evidence of that, you just keep repeating yourself like a stuck CD.
Winchester changed the surface finish, period, that's it. I have used THOUSANDS of their new primers in pistol and rifle, with NO ill effects. My loads are still 100% reliable (NO ignintion failures) and have the same degree of accuracy, and clock the same over the chronograph.
If you are having primer seating problems, you should check the brass you are using. New brass is not infallible, especially if you are "uniforming" the primer pockets for "accuracy". If anything, the new finish creates a more consistent primer diameter.
You are talking nonsense.
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I haven't really noticed any difference in the performance of the new ones vs the old.
R-WEST
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From this I have had ONE primer (WLR) fail to work.
I haven't had to change any of my loads and they seat just fine.
I think they are MORE reliable than the old silver ones.
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Originally posted by HiWall:
My week is three days of work, four days of play, at least three two week hunting trips each year and the red deer are only an hour away. Twice at the range each week.
Ain't life a bitch.
If that's a typicall work week in Australia, I'm moving there!