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Originally posted by nateDon'tgo:
Lamar: Google didn't find anything @ the link SmokinJ posted..Are you talking about the Nevada Chapter of the C.B.A.? Couldn't come up with any website for them,either..Are you saying to say the second place group was l.75" ?? Then The distance was 2 or 3 hundred yards,I suppose ... //Nate

Instead of obsessing over groups shot at a cast bullet match, why don't you post some of your own work? If you aren't asking positive questions about this .30 silhouette design, how it works, how it shoots, etc, or discussing your own techniques and experiences with accurate, HV cast shooting, then you're only being a troll.

I cast up several huge piles of these last night from 50/50 alloy, water quenched, now for the wait.......but I cheated and cast a few hundred from straight wheel weights air-cooled, too, for some plinking and fireforming in the meantime. That Clymer .30-'06 finishing reamer made the throat on my 95 Palma Match barrel an absolutely PERFECT fit for these sized .3105". Can't wait to shoot them!

Gear

Geargnasher: Some serious foulmouth,eh.? No Matter,I heard a lot of that trash when I was renting out trailers..Not so much when it was time to pay the landlord,though. I see 45 2.1's distaste for unchristianlike behavior doesn't extend to members of his flock..!! I got a PM with screenprints off another website this AM from a fellow in Michigan..Looks like some former disciples of the high priest have jumped ship..Do you guys use the same brand of chronograph he does??? Most anyone who follows the shooting sports know that there are some fine riflemen in Texas,,You,however,are neither Dave or Wyatt Tubb ..Keep on keeping on,endeavor to persevere, you might eventually make big frog in a W.Texas Tank,far away from any witnesses....Nate

i gotta stay up later.
i just can't think up witty stuff like that.

it could have been something 45 typed a couple dozen times was actually read by some one and got a couple of ideas...
or actually read something one or two others typed once or twice.
maybe some research was done.

i seriously doubt it was done by just wasting time arguing about it, so they could put off going out and shovelling the sidewalk.

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Originally posted by nateDon'tgo:
Geargnasher: Some serious foulmouth,eh.? No Matter,I heard a lot of that trash when I was renting out trailers..Not so much when it was time to pay the landlord,though. I see 45 2.1's distaste for unchristianlike behavior doesn't extend to members of his flock..!! I got a PM with screenprints off another website this AM from a fellow in Michigan..Looks like some former disciples of the high priest have jumped ship..Do you guys use the same brand of chronograph he does??? Most anyone who follows the shooting sports know that there are some fine riflemen in Texas,,You,however,are neither Dave or Wyatt Tubb ..Keep on keeping on,endeavor to persevere, you might eventually make big frog in a W.Texas Tank,far away from any witnesses....Nate

Sorry Princess, didn't mean to offend your virgin ears. Now what do you have to say about the topic?

Gear

it's people like you three that give the phrase "poor white trash" a bad name...

Oops! Lamar makes it four.

Hi guys! All it takes is to listen to some that know how to do it. I'm learning by listening. I wished I had people to help me in some of my old jobs. But I had to learn the hard way on everything. I mixed up some new alloy and cast some bullets with it tonight. I will get them sized and put up for a few months.

I have a bunch of other guns to work on anyway.

Tom, the ultimate learning is still going to be "the hard way", but it is less difficult when you spend your learning time in a productive way rather than being handicapped attempting a variety of methods which have been proven unsatisfactory.

If you owned a rifle and tooling exactly like Joe's, for example, it would be even easier for him to give you a detailed recipe and loading instructions to greatly shorten your road to success such as he has had, but with the differences in guns, components, tooling, methods of using said tooling, there are even more variables to consider. Even when forarmed with a good basic concept, you still must discover and manipulate each variable to your advantage, and only through experimentation will you master how to control each factor affecting accuracy until you learn how to tune your exact "system" for optimal performance.

Gear

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Originally posted by tomme boy:
Hi guys! All it takes is to listen to some that know how to do it. I'm learning by listening. I wished I had people to help me in some of my old jobs. But I had to learn the hard way on everything. I mixed up some new alloy and cast some bullets with it tonight. I will get them sized and put up for a few months.

I have a bunch of other guns to work on anyway.

Great job well done. As for the other guns apply what you have learned to work for your 308 to them and it will help. Watch very closely your group patterns, and if you had a chronograph, your standard deviation when dialing in the other guns.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Oops! Lamar makes it four.

Nothing but brown from you... again. You're like the old Heckle & Jeckle cartoons, a smart assed magpie that can't grow up, cute on a cartoon but not so from an old rotund brown mouthed jackass. You add nothing to a thread. We have a monicker that we call you.... Idaho Shitshooter. Now, go play with your twin Troll Nate/Bill/Bull.

Ah, I knew I could expect an amusing blend of vulgarity and stupidity from you...

How come your head clown isn't on Cast Bullets spreading his drivel anymore?

I.S.: Lamar isn't quite there yet..Apparently he has enough spine left to actually take his family and shoot in competition,in FRONT of WITNESSES.. nate

we even have local weekly shoots here in small town idaho.
even when i am not at one of the weekly shoots my word is good nuff when talking to one of the club memebers.
i don't haul notes,a chronograph and old targets around everywhere i go.

rich if you wanna drive over this summer i'll give you some of my rifles and ammo and my chrono and directions to the rifle range.
go over there and shoot some groups yourself.
better yet bring your stuff and i can arrange a credable audience of business owners,city councel members,county workers,some of our local deputy's, city police officers,a few ranchers/farmers,and assorted retired community members.
if that's good enough for you.

i don't think we have a trailer park here so no trailer trash for you to look down on.

or just swing by on a wednesday evening about 5 p.m.

Lamar,

if you got proof, I may have to read you out of the clown club.

NateDon'tgo--Have you posted on this forum under a different name? If so which name/names?

Nothing back yet from ? sent To lothar walther in Cummings,Ga ( Lotharwalther@mindspring,com).Could be they are still looking around for anyone claiming to be C.E.O..If still nothing by tomorrow I'll tell them to ask "Wally"..Still Nothing forthcoming,about time to ask the Orig.firm overseas if they think it's wise to seek business on your website,while badmouthing potential customers elsewhere..

My new silhouette mold is casting pretty much the same diameters as the rest of the buyer's are. I did some test casting to see what I got. Will set up to cast up a good quantity of them.

Lamar, you mentioned your AR 10 a few times. Did you buy it or build it? What's the make?

i'm working with an AR-30, the bolt gun version right now and my ruger AWS both in 308.
the ar-10 went down the road some time back, i picked up a norinco m-14 and what i paid for the ar-10 in the trade.

so it's mostly ar 15's now.

armalite N.M, 1-9
this one has a nice barell and will handle cast up over 2800 nicely.
the sights are set for 300 yds with jaxketed which is about right for 100 yds open sight shooting with cast.

stag 1-9 standard blast-o-matic.
i don't expect this one to shoot groups but it does hang in the 1-1 1/2" range at 100 yds pretty well at the 2700-2750 range with a cheapo 3x9 springfield scope

and a 6-H, 1-7 twist i haven't started with this one yet.
i just got it at christmas time and stuck my ancient 4x12 leupold scope on it.
iv'e had this scope longer than iv'e had the kids.
i'm waiting to see if a boolit i designed can be cut by a new source.
if not i'll re-measure and go back to the drawing board.
[or just get the one 45- designed for the nato chamber]

i allready have the 220 swift and the 22-250 up and going at the 2700 level too, so i'm kinda burned out on the 22's. [ untill varmint season starts anyway]

so i went to the 308's for a bit.
no big deal i'll get back to the 6-H later.
i have the 358 running at 2300+ with a 250gr boolit to use for hunting if needed.
but i want to use my lighter 308 AWS for the back-pack hunt we have planned for this fall.
that and gear got a new 308 barell so of course we have to see who can get to 2400 first.

data and targets...

Lamar,

Yeah I heard all about gears new barrel. It didn't turn up to be exactly what he thought it would be or wanted, but he was able to make it right or should I said better.

Oh yeah, the "$29 barrel" y'all keep joshing me about. I considered it a profiled, crowned, chambered, threaded blank when I bought it, it might still get chopped, a few more threads added, and chambered in '06 with a tight neck before all this is over, but somebody just HAD to run a group buy on the .308 bullet so I figured I didn't have much to lose screwing it on and having a go. It DID shoot a 3/8" group at putt-putt velocities using some 311041s before I rethroated it to .311"/1.5*/zero freebore so it would shoot the .30 Sil better, so hopefully I didn't dink it up.

Lamar, I do have to give you a 400 FPS handicap due to the twist difference don't I? I'm sending you some, but they're not even a week out of the mould (WQ 50/50) so let 'em sit a while yet.

Ian

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Originally posted by Geargnasher:
Oh yeah, the "$29 barrel" y'all keep joshing me about. I considered it a profiled, crowned, chambered, threaded blank when I bought it, it might still get chopped, a few more threads added, and chambered in '06 with a tight neck before all this is over, but somebody just HAD to run a group buy on the .308 bullet so I figured I didn't have much to lose screwing it on and having a go. It DID shoot a 3/8" group at putt-putt velocities using some 311041s before I rethroated it to .311"/1.5*/zero freebore so it would shoot the .30 Sil better, so hopefully I didn't dink it up.

Lamar, I do have to give you a 400 FPS handicap due to the twist difference don't I? I'm sending you some, but they're not even a week out of the mould (WQ 50/50) so let 'em sit a while yet.

Ian

Gear, question. You know the Golden Boy preached that any serious 308 target shooter would have a 14 twist, so I must ask what makes you think that's a Palma barrel since it has a 12 twist? Shouldn't it have the 14 Golden Boy twist if it's a match barrel....hmmmmmm. You know I'm just razing you don't ya?

gear let's see if tim will do that wildcat we talked about.
i think it will fit in a short action like a 257 does with the right boolit and throating.
a modified 165 like my accurate would probably fit perfectly,if the throat were done like a 308's and the weight was dropped to 150 ish.
it would pick up some speed too.

unless you do the p/p throat you told me about..

wait 400 fps....
i'll take 200 and i can stop now and back up a little..

Carpetman1: house dick wannbee here ?--Or play one in high school drama ? --or play "Clue" last Saturday night @ the Holiday Inn ??? I think it was Col.Mustard you need to look for...Nate

Natedon'tgo--No investigation, just a simple question. You want pictures and witnesses so I figure you must be a person of integrity. Smokinj has gone by Starmetal and other names and makes no effort to hide that, I'd have to give him more credence than I can give you, when you dodge a simple question like I asked.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
gear let's see if tim will do that wildcat we talked about.
i think it will fit in a short action like a 257 does with the right boolit and throating.
a modified 165 like my accurate would probably fit perfectly,if the throat were done like a 308's and the weight was dropped to 150 ish.
it would pick up some speed too.

unless you do the p/p throat you told me about..

I dunno about the SAAMI .308 throat, I'm thinking SAAMI minimum '06 throat, no freebore, 1.5* ball seat, .3106" throat entrance. Might get 45 2.1 to do up a self-aligning design like this .30 Sil but lighter, I like the idea of lighter here, use powders more like 4064 or H335. You'd need the short throat to pull that light bullet off without wasting a lot of that long neck, but I'd still like to shoot the one talked about here in it too. It will fit a minimum '06 throat and still keep the GC in a .308 case if that gives you an idea.

Gear

Natedon'ttell maybe we could add ad nauseum or however it's spelled to your name. Actually it is spelled ad nauseam but I saw it used several times here misspelled ad nauseum.

Gear, isn't that what the 308 hunting boolit is in the GB section. The 155gr?

i think the silh boolit is more like 180 grs.

Gear:
i like the idea of the 0-6 throat, i'm basing the neck off a 310 boolit and ,012 brass and room for .013.
that would give the option of .311 and .012 brass if needed.
the little bit of slop would need a good concave radius to make things align better.
something like the silh at 165 and a titch more bearing surface would be to my liking there is the longer neck to make use of.
a little meplat would be a bonus for hunting too.

4064 would be doable it could go from 35-40 grs in increments giving decent pressures and trackable/predictable pressure/velocity increases.
there's enough room for a slower powder.
even something like 414 would work well.


oh
i might have a line on some thick necked 308 brass too.
mp marty posted some numbers and i hit him up for a better measurement so we will see.
it might just be his measuring system [siiigh]

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Originally posted by Lamar:
i think the silh boolit is more like 180 grs.

Gear:
i like the idea of the 0-6 throat, i'm basing the neck off a 310 boolit and ,012 brass and room for .013.
that would give the option of .311 and .012 brass if needed.
the little bit of slop would need a good concave radius to make things align better.
something like the silh at 165 and a titch more bearing surface would be to my liking there is the longer neck to make use of.
a little meplat would be a bonus for hunting too.

4064 would be doable it could go from 35-40 grs in increments giving decent pressures and trackable/predictable pressure/velocity increases.
there's enough room for a slower powder.
even something like 414 would work well.


oh
i might have a line on some thick necked 308 brass too.
mp marty posted some numbers and i hit him up for a better measurement so we will see.
it might just be his measuring system [siiigh]

Yeah the 308 silhouette is more close to 180 grains. You are correct on the hunting bullet and here's a pic of it:


PM me about that thick neck 308 brass and I'll tell you what I've discovered. I've been doing lots of work in that area. You have to when you have a 7.62 NATO chamber.

Lamar--Did you ever buy a gun or go into the Gun Barn in Pocatello, Id during 70's maybe early 80's?

One time I smelled bullet casting on Corbari Ave in Boise, Idaho. Couldn't pinpoint the house. Anybody live there?

yeah i know the gun barn real well.
i have bought guns from Doc for several years.
he's my Dan Wesson "scout"

my 80's were spent in places like panama,lybia,guam,some desert hell hole we are revisiting now.
you know the places.
i was just hanging out waiting for a pilot to ditch, or some army dudes with different colored berets to get into a bind they couldn't get out of.
any gun buying i done back then was generally done in the salt lake area.

Lamar---Not familiar with Doc. The original Gun Barn was an old service station that a guy named Bill bought and he used the wood from an old barn to trim the inside of the place. Barnwood gun racks etc. It was also a pawn shop. Bill sold it and later took possession back and I imagine sold it again. Don't know if the current one is same place or not.

The Lothar Walther touts here call to mind another legend in his own mind--The West(by God) Virginia "gunsmith" who scurried across the internet gunboards,heaping dung on Freedom Arms revolvers,while talking up the BFR products..Taking kumshaw,of course,as one would expect you are.,in the manner of Clay Harvey,and Askins,Jr..He seems to have gone low profile,letely,?.?.?.? Nate

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Originally posted by nateDon'tgo:
The Lothar Walther touts here call to mind another legend in his own mind--The West(by God) Virginia "gunsmith" who scurried across the internet gunboards,heaping dung on Freedom Arms revolvers,while talking up the BFR products..Taking kumshaw,of course,as one would expect you are.,in the manner of Clay Harvey,and Askins,Jr..He seems to have gone low profile,letely,?.?.?.? Nate

Why don't you go jump....for Joy?

Low profile? Nah I think selling guns at the Buckhorn Gun Pawns.

might be, part of the outside is covered in barn wood.
and some of the inside walls still have some too.
it's up on jefferson on a corner.